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Boris is in intensive care tonight. Just think before you write.
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When you think the news can’t get any worse it does with the news of our Prime Minister.
Southend had the cheapest Wizz price over the last week or two to Bucharest but they were still not cheap indicating there was good demand from the airport.
No one knows how this will play out but I am sure there will be a great deal of consolidation. Southend’s boast was that they offered an alternative to congested London airports. I would think they won’t be able to make that claim in the short to medium future
Southend had the cheapest Wizz price over the last week or two to Bucharest but they were still not cheap indicating there was good demand from the airport.
No one knows how this will play out but I am sure there will be a great deal of consolidation. Southend’s boast was that they offered an alternative to congested London airports. I would think they won’t be able to make that claim in the short to medium future
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I hope Stobart has the funds to keep Southend alive and 'kicking over' long term. Same can be said of any other airport, airline, support service, etc. Anyone think that international air travel will get back to 'normal' this year? Plan for Spring 2021 and survive until then?
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I know exactly where Boris is.. I also know where my best mate is at Southend general . If you want a emotive clap fest then fine jet blast is open . If you want discuss where we think Southend airport might be in a year or two then let’s stick to that on here
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Not for airlines perhaps but it is still a small, easy and uncontested passenger experience and that will be the selling point
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Better for an airline that flies a route multiple times a week from multiple London Airports at a loss to cut capacity and fly those routes at a profit. Luton has seen it with TUI with its focus on Gatwick. Whether Southend can hang on to what it has will be doubtful.
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It won’t, but neither will any of the London airports including Heathrow. Heathrow will however fill up with airlines currently elsewhere, the Chinese at LGW more obviously but possibly down to the likes/equivalents of Air Moldova, Belavia and Georgian depending on the severity across the industry which loses major players.
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There will be a pecking order of airports as remaining airlines see opportunities at airports they would like to get a foothold in. I would think Gatwick will win business from both Stansted and Luton while as stated Heathrow will take business from Gatwick.
As for Southend maybe their future will be in short range cargo although nighttime restrictions won’t help. Can’t believe how bad the world looks tonight. Hoping for the best for everyone and everything but fearing the worst.
As for Southend maybe their future will be in short range cargo although nighttime restrictions won’t help. Can’t believe how bad the world looks tonight. Hoping for the best for everyone and everything but fearing the worst.
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It is not beyond the realms of possibility that IAG will regroup at LHR if as we assume and threaders suggest there may be a number of losers and closures. BA have for many years been unhappy at the cost of running an operation so close to LHR. IAG have a number of fledgling outfits that can take over the profitable Beach fleet routes, should they wish to retain a presence. Setting aside the major players that will leave SEN surely with a future, as it already as previously suggested has a reasonable record. What is key however is the reaction from the travelling public in the next few years. Will they want to travel as readily as the level we had reached and will they have the money. If we are not back to work by next month, those that have a job to return to, I cannot see people travelling.
I hope for the best outcome for all our sakes? LTNman sums it up well!
I hope for the best outcome for all our sakes? LTNman sums it up well!
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Back on topic. I've said it previously here, there will be massive pent up demand supported by lots of unspent cash. Once the CV is beaten life will return to normal and the airlines will be flying the hordes as per usual. The only concern is whether Stobart can ride out the storm as owners of SEN. The airport will still be there no matter who ends up owning it.
It would require all airlines and support companies to come out the end in exactly the same state as they were in before this began which however desirable feels unlikely. This morning the environmental lobby began their assault on the industry which may delay any government intervention (if any were coming which is seemingly less likely at the moment but who knows.)
My expectation is that demand will be lower but that supply will be too. If they remain balanced then the industry resets to this new lower benchmark and growth restarts from there but we won’t see 2019 traffic levels for several years to come (if ever.)
If supply exceeds demand, cheap fares abound and airlines go bust.
If demand exceeds supply, prices go up. Not popular with the travelling public who have grown accustomed to cheap air travel but might keep the green lobby happy by default.
This is basic market economics but clearly the outcome could and on a global level almost certainly will be affected by government intervention.
Which means any outcome is still possible and I personally am no closer to figuring out what our industry will look like this time next year!!
Whatever the outcome sadly I doubt we will see the taps turned back on with growth continuing unabated from 2019 levels.
I've said it previously here, there will be massive pent up demand supported by lots of unspent cash. Once the CV is beaten life will return to normal and the airlines will be flying the hordes as per usual.
The almost universal view is that we are in a recession. It's clear that people have already lost their jobs, whilst others have lost chunks of their income. The idea that things will bounce back to where they were is on the unrealistic side of optimistic.
Recession means reduced demand, and that means overcapacity. Shrinking a business successfully is a very difficult thing, and many otherwise good businesses will fail, adding to the woe.
As Southend is the most marginal of the London-area airports, I would expect it to suffer sooner than the others. The Wizzair operation is unlikely to last in the long-term, and you can be sure that Ryanair will use the situation to reduce its costs - that could affect SEN, STN, LTN and/or LGW.
I don't see an influx of newly formed airlines, but we could see overseas operators opening new London services to any of the London-area airports.
Recession means reduced demand, and that means overcapacity. Shrinking a business successfully is a very difficult thing, and many otherwise good businesses will fail, adding to the woe.
As Southend is the most marginal of the London-area airports, I would expect it to suffer sooner than the others. The Wizzair operation is unlikely to last in the long-term, and you can be sure that Ryanair will use the situation to reduce its costs - that could affect SEN, STN, LTN and/or LGW.
I don't see an influx of newly formed airlines, but we could see overseas operators opening new London services to any of the London-area airports.
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the pent up demand will be huge.. once again the brunt of this will be on the younger and poorer .. those that don't frequent airports.
the hosing of taxpayers cash will benefit those with assets just as it did in 2008 onwards .. those that love an airport. when Heathrow gets shafted and all this becomes a distant memory. they will talking about another runway and Gatwick or stanners sooner than you think
the hosing of taxpayers cash will benefit those with assets just as it did in 2008 onwards .. those that love an airport. when Heathrow gets shafted and all this becomes a distant memory. they will talking about another runway and Gatwick or stanners sooner than you think
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the pent up demand will be huge.. once again the brunt of this will be on the younger and poorer .. those that don't frequent airports.
the hosing of taxpayers cash will benefit those with assets just as it did in 2008 onwards .. those that love an airport. when Heathrow gets shafted and all this becomes a distant memory. they will talking about another runway and Gatwick or stanners sooner than you think
the hosing of taxpayers cash will benefit those with assets just as it did in 2008 onwards .. those that love an airport. when Heathrow gets shafted and all this becomes a distant memory. they will talking about another runway and Gatwick or stanners sooner than you think
The younger and poorer absolutely do frequent airports now. Masses of the growth has been that people who previously couldn’t afford to travel do now. Think Eastern Europeans coming to work in the UK and then going home for visits, students on weekends breaks, people commuting etc.
This will also make people realise their priorities. On a personal level I commute between London and Stockholm (usually from LHR with SAS) but following this, it has made me want to end the arrangement as soon as possible and I’ll relocate fully to Sweden ASAP so I don’t end up stuck or apart from my family in the future.
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The final pax flight for time being will be tomorrow as the Derry service is moving to STN until 1 June. This is because SEN’s terminal will be shut. Little surprise as it made no sense to open and staff the place for no more than a handful of pax.
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