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Old 4th Nov 2017, 00:40
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LHR from Southend is not a pleasant trip.. any one trying to get to west London from Essex today was in for a nasty shock.. plus factoring the three hours before your flight to be safe..

Flying to MAN doesn't seem that bad .. In Fact flying to Amsterdam is less hassle. Apart from the taxing!
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Old 4th Nov 2017, 07:48
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That will change when Crossrail opens next year. Crossrail could be a double edged sword for Southend. It could help bring passengers into the airport but will also make it quicker for natural Southend passengers to get to the main London rail terminals and Heathrow.

Also worth noting that the travel time from Stratford to Heathrow will be quicker than to Southend Airport.

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Old 4th Nov 2017, 09:09
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It's true that it will take 3 minutes less to reach Heathrow T2,3 on Crossrail from Stratford than Southend Airport by train, but as been pointed out before, unless things change dramatically the train to departure gate will lose you a great deal more than 3 minutes at LHR.

Remember there will be no direct service from Stratford to Heathrow until December 2019. The central Liverpool St to Paddington section will open then linking east to west. So the SEN-MAN flights have a couple of years to prove their worth before the threat that LTNman talks about. Time enough to become established if the demand exists.

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Old 4th Nov 2017, 09:19
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By the same token it will make it quicker for pax arriving at SEN to reach their various London destinations, including the main rail terminals. I'm sure that overall Crossrail will be advantageous for SEN.
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Old 4th Nov 2017, 09:30
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Anyone thinking that the road journey from Southend to Heathrow is worth doing unless you absolutely have to......... hasn't tried to drive it.
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Old 4th Nov 2017, 12:26
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The last posters are taking my comment concerning SEN & LHR far far too literally.
I stated SEN CUSTOMERS have a choice of LHR for the hub connectors NOT Southend residents per se as has been misinterpreted with parochial comments as above.
There is a subtle & not so subtle difference between those two components & description.
Unless of course MAN is just pitched at the worthy residents of Southend only.
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Old 4th Nov 2017, 12:49
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Fair point, SB. Having made that journey around the M25 a number of times you touched a raw nerve!
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Old 4th Nov 2017, 13:31
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Just returned (thank goodness) from a eight days in the UK on family business and had to travel on the M25 a few times. What a nightmare, spent quite a time stopped near Heathrow watching aircraft taking off while in the car not moving. How on earth people put up with it each day I do not know. As for the Manchester route give it time but I would be surprised if it lasted into next summer.
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Old 4th Nov 2017, 20:41
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Stationery on the M25 near Heathrow in either direction is a daily occurrence. Watching the take-offs (westerly) and landings (easterly) helps reduce the frustration.
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Old 5th Nov 2017, 15:12
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So now we're into November do we assume that the new airline isn't coming now?
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Old 5th Nov 2017, 20:45
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When did they first announce news on this and more importantly when did they state it come become active?
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Old 5th Nov 2017, 21:43
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Personally, I think if we hear nothing by 1st November, we can forget about that one, and move on. Not all exciting plans work out.
Now that date has passed, is there any update?
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Old 6th Nov 2017, 07:41
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I think wider events in the UK airline industry of late have contributed to the planned operation possibly being postponed. I cannot elaborate on that I'm afraid.
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Old 6th Nov 2017, 08:59
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That is a shame for SEN, but understandable.
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Old 6th Nov 2017, 09:12
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Sorry I have lost it. Who was meant to have come and didn't
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Old 6th Nov 2017, 09:23
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There was some talk about a month ago from top hat that a New British airline were about to announce starting sen next year with 4 based aircraft. Hey ho not to be it seems.
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Old 6th Nov 2017, 09:27
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
Sorry I have lost it. Who was meant to have come and didn't
Ah that's the big question Ltnman. There has been rumour and conjecture, spiced up with secret squirrel posts
for months.

I think there was something going on, but it wouldn't surprise me if Stobart messed up the negotiations, after all their track record doesn't fill me with confidence.
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Old 6th Nov 2017, 10:00
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I don't think that was the case. It was for reasons over which Stobart simply had no control.
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Old 6th Nov 2017, 10:04
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There aren't that many UK based airlines that can use the runway at SEN so it should just be a matter of elimination. We can exlclude Aurigny, Blue Islands and Loganair. BMI Regional might be a possibility as they would most probably like a near-London base. Could Thomas Cook base their A321 fleet at SEN? Don't think the runway is sufficient for their needs. Do we exclude the B737/757 operators due to runway restrictions? If we do, that then leaves BA (who have their hubs and most probably don't need another one) and....BA City Flyer!

I'm scratching my head about what has happened recently in the UK airline sector to make a possible deal fall over? Surely not Monarch?
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Old 6th Nov 2017, 10:34
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Airlines will look to replace lost capacity at former ZB hubs before looking to SEN. LGW and MAN will be the first that airlines look to replace capacity as they are both slot constrained.

EZY are looking to replace capacity at MAN in addition to Jet2 further expanding at both BHX & MAN for S18.

SEN will likely not see major expansion until at least 2019 when Brexit negotiations have been completed and lost capacity from former Monarch hubs is replaced.
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