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Old 8th Aug 2019, 17:09
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It's a lovely summers day in Essex. I don't know what the weather is like in Northumberland, but if it's as good as it is here in small town Essex near SEN I think I would rather be soaking up the sun with a beer than raising my blood pressure over an airport that's 200 miles away.
Thanks for your concern, but no blood pressure being raised here, just an eyebrow of wry amusement.

And it's was glorious up above God's county this morning.
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 18:09
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
Thanks for your concern, but no blood pressure being raised here, just an eyebrow of wry amusement.

And it's was glorious up above God's county this morning.
A lovely county, more than it will be in Essex tonight when the summer storm from hell rips through according to the BBC weather forecasters!! Battening down the hatches now!🍷🍷
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 18:52
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Just saying it how I see it. As no one seems bothered about the customer experience at Southend I guess I will remain their champion. Maybe everything is just rosy and there is no room for improvement. Wonder why the FBO is open 24 hours a day though. Do they make money through the night? Maybe it is indeed the Southend dossers that keep the terminal shut at night. Still think it is a real shame.

With regard to City becoming a bucket and spade airport maybe so but never for the budget traveller which is fortunate for Southend.
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 19:16
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
Just saying it how I see it. As no one seems bothered about the customer experience at Southend I guess I will remain their champion. Maybe everything is just rosy and there is no room for improvement. Wonder why the FBO is open 24 hours a day though. Do they make money through the night? Maybe it is indeed the Southend dossers that keep the terminal shut at night. Still think it is a real shame.

With regard to City becoming a bucket and spade airport maybe so but never for the budget traveller which is fortunate for Southend.
Is it a bird, is it a plane, no it's LTNman coming to save the SEN experience!! I'm sure that thousands of SEN pax and Stobart management will sleep easy in their beds tonight knowing that LTNman will be overseeing the operation. Because according to LTNman "no one seems to be bothered."
Give us your phone number lad because it seems you have the answer to everything.



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Old 8th Aug 2019, 19:52
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Funny how people can turn on someone for only wanting the best. As you say who cares what passengers think if they are budget passengers. Maybe the airport should consider extending its terminal closure to save more money? Maybe you should be made a bean counter as you have all the answers.

I would imagine if Stobart announced that the terminal was going 24/7 it would be seized on here as a positive step.

Maybe Luton is actually a far better airport? Shhh who said that!

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Old 8th Aug 2019, 22:38
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
City is a different kettle of fish and you know it. They cater for premium passengers who do not turn up at one in the morning. Southend needs to stay ahead of the game and build on its reputation which was a long time coming.
Actually thatís where youíre not quite right. Yes by and large City caters to premium and business travellers supplemented with a large (and Iíd say growing) contingent of mostly higher end leisure travellers. However, if you ever search for long-haul flights from London it is very common for LCY to come up at the bargain basement end.

I would suggest the sort of people that book a 26 hour journey to China for £400 are exactly the sort that would book a £10 flight to Spain at 6:30am and expect to kip on the floor while they wait.
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Old 9th Aug 2019, 07:48
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
Wonder why the FBO is open 24 hours a day though. Do they make money through the night?
The FBO will certainly be making money at night through to the end of September and I think that currently the maximum night movements allowed under SEN's planning consent are all being taken up. Under more normal circumstances the FBO is fully staffed at night as required to service the PPR slots booked.
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Old 9th Aug 2019, 11:30
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 View Post


Actually thatís where youíre not quite right. Yes by and large City caters to premium and business travellers supplemented with a large (and Iíd say growing) contingent of mostly higher end leisure travellers. However, if you ever search for long-haul flights from London it is very common for LCY to come up at the bargain basement end.

I would suggest the sort of people that book a 26 hour journey to China for £400 are exactly the sort that would book a £10 flight to Spain at 6:30am and expect to kip on the floor while they wait.
LCY actually put out a press release recently saying that their passengers are now 50/50 split between leisure and business. If you regularly fly from LCY you'll see lots of passengers travelling on cheap fares to Africa - especially connecting with KLM to ACC and LOS and now TAP as well. It's not like the old days of all business travelers.
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Old 9th Aug 2019, 11:46
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Originally Posted by BA318 View Post
LCY actually put out a press release recently saying that their passengers are now 50/50 split between leisure and business. If you regularly fly from LCY you'll see lots of passengers travelling on cheap fares to Africa - especially connecting with KLM to ACC and LOS and now TAP as well. It's not like the old days of all business travelers.
So that leads nicely into a question: Does anyone believe thereís a slice of that pie for SEN with Virgin Connect on the way?
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Old 9th Aug 2019, 20:20
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Originally Posted by Expressflight View Post
......You have noticed I'm sure that LTN is so cost-conscious that they don't even put in ceilings, unless VIPs are due to visit visit and the photo opportunities might reveal this fact.
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Expressflight and as if by magic... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7342319/Luton-Airport-terminal-causing-long-delays-torrential-downpours.html

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Old 9th Aug 2019, 20:31
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Attack the best form of defence?
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Old 9th Aug 2019, 20:48
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Wonder what the numbers are for the new Loganair through-route SEN-GLA-SYY? Guess they have nothing to lose offering it, given both routes were to operate independently and sounds good on the advertising.
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 14:07
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I hear from friends in the golden harp that the EMA and SEN bases will be reducing in size as part of the bigger problems being experienced within the company. Has anyone seen a public announcement yet ?
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 15:02
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Originally Posted by Captain_Caveman View Post
I hear from friends in the golden harp that the EMA and SEN bases will be reducing in size as part of the bigger problems being experienced within the company. Has anyone seen a public announcement yet ?
No news from SEN operations yet. The winter schedule only requires two aircraft, so I suppose that's what they are referring to. Summer 2020 program not published yet.
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 16:17
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Originally Posted by Expressflight View Post
The FBO will certainly be making money at night through to the end of September and I think that currently the maximum night movements allowed under SEN's planning consent are all being taken up. Under more normal circumstances the FBO is fully staffed at night as required to service the PPR slots booked.
So they are max out night movement quotas, not good news if they are having to turn away business?
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 16:33
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So they are max out night movement quotas, not good news if they are having to turn away business?
If they're able to sell all their capacity that's good news. If they had even more capacity to sell that would be even better news.
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 20:21
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If the FBO is maxed out already (albeit due to restrictions else where) that’s great news.. I’m sure some of,those customers will become more regular users and it’s fully utilising the asset
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 21:56
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Originally Posted by tophat27dt View Post
No news from SEN operations yet. The winter schedule only requires two aircraft, so I suppose that's what they are referring to. Summer 2020 program not published yet.
Is a 2 aircraft base considered efficient for FR going forward? Based on this yearís schedule they could probably get away with two aircraft next summer if they dropped the weaker routes and used DUB-based aircraft for that route
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 07:10
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 View Post


Is a 2 aircraft base considered efficient for FR going forward? Based on this yearís schedule they could probably get away with two aircraft next summer if they dropped the weaker routes and used DUB-based aircraft for that route
yet sources more closely related to SEN are hearing that RYR will be 4 AC next summer. I donít know either way mind.
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 08:06
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yet sources more closely related to SEN are hearing that RYR will be 4 AC next summer. I donít know either way mind.
As I understood it FR weíre looking to rationalise and make efficient their bases, therefore Iíd assume longer-term itís 3+ aircraft or bust for a SEN base. Of course, in that scenario routes can be operated into SEN from other bases. I suspect though there is a deal in place with sufficient incentives for the FR base to stay a while.
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