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Old 24th Jul 2019, 22:52
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 00:16
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Originally Posted by brian_dromey View Post
Thats interesting, I thought the 738 is, as a rule, a poorer performer than the A319/320, is this the benefit of the SFP on FRs newer 737s? Apparently the 320neo is, more or less, unrestricted out of SEN, unlike the A319s - easyJets examples are derated, I understand? Interestingly most of the A319 sales in recent years have been to Chinese airlines operating into high airfields in the Himalayas - a different species of A319 to ehe easyJet examples.
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You are correct to point out tthat the 738SFP was a game changer for 738 operations at SEN. The non-SFP 738 offered a reasonable radius of operation based on take off performance but the real killer in terms of regular commercial operation was the landing distance requirement, which meant that the inbound load would have to be restricted for all operations whatever the sector distance. There is no means of carrying out a proper comparison using data available in the public arena but my own best guess using available sources is that 738SFP is broadly similar to the A320 in the context of SEN operations. This view is supported by FR's choice of initial SE routes.

You are also correct to point out that the EZY A319 is derated which means that it is more likely to be restricted by adverse conditions than the A320. The EZY aircraft is the A319-111 subtype with 22k lb thrust engines . Other airlines at SEN this summer use the A319-112 with 23.5k engines which offer improved field performance, Air Malta, FlyOne and Volotea. The new FlyOne Chisinau service is the longest sector scheduled for SEN this summer. I would not expect it to suffer any payload penalties, assisted as it is by the late evening departure time.
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 09:44
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Originally Posted by Tagron View Post
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Thanks for the clarification. Just to add another type into the mix, the A320neo has better take off performance than the CEO, but I think single-engine out performance might still be an issue at SEN? For the 737 I hadn't considered the landing weight at all, we all think about the take-off and forget the landing. How anyone could forget the typical FR landing....

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Old 25th Jul 2019, 09:59
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Plans are or have been submitted for another new SEN hotel next to the existing Holiday Inn Airport Hotel. Onwards and upwards.
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 15:54
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Aircraft at SEN requires fuel stop for AGP flight

That got a few people's interest I bet.

Some will be disappointed to hear it was a BA E190 en route LCY-AGP which dropped into SEN for fuel. Apparently they chose to do this rather than dump pax from the flight. All credit to BACF. Both airports had a temp of 35C but no problem for SEN-AGP with a full E195 apparently.
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 16:01
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Originally Posted by Expressflight View Post
Aircraft at SEN requires fuel stop for AGP flight

That got a few people's interest I bet.

Some will be disappointed to hear it was a BA E190 en route LCY-AGP which dropped into SEN for fuel. Apparently they chose to do this rather than dump pax from the flight. All credit to BACF. Both airports had a temp of 35C but no problem for SEN-AGP with a full E195 apparently.
Strange isn't it Expressflight how quiet some of our most prolific posters are on here when it comes to good news from SEN.
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 16:05
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Originally Posted by Planespeaking View Post
Strange isn't it Expressflight how quiet some of our most prolific posters are on here when it comes to good news from SEN
Isn't it just!
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 18:38
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So no Southend passengers bumped off flights from Southend then. That is very good news. Also are you saying an E195 has the same performance figures as say an easyjet A319?
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 18:50
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
So no Southend passengers bumped off flights from Southend then. That is very good news. Also are you saying an E195 has the same performance figures as say an easyjet A319?
Well done LTNman the gift that keeps on giving.
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 18:56
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
So no Southend passengers bumped off flights from Southend then. That is very good news. Also are you saying an E195 has the same performance figures as say an easyjet A319?
No not really, just that for BA to choose SEN for refuelling (rather than perhaps BOH) the E190 must be able to do SEN-AGP with a 35C surface temperature with some margin to spare I should think.
Talking of the A319, the two flights I thought might struggle today were 16:40/16:45 departures to AGP and FAO which were operated by A319s. I'm told both flights were "close to capacity" so that does rather put into perspective some of the pessimistic comments posted on here earlier in the week. What did one poster say? We should expect events that would be "a nightmare for those who will be losing their family holiday" (not you I know, but from your neck of the woods).
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 19:19
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SEN-FAO flight had to deny boarding to some customers this afternoon.
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 19:28
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Negative comments not welcome here. Should have been positive and said most passengers made it to FAO this afternoon.
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 20:20
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No lack of breeze at Southend right now ... tho conditions may get a bit lively in the next hour or so
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 20:22
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Simple answer, Easyjet need to buy a small fleet of E195's for their summer SEN operation.
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 20:53
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Originally Posted by Pain in the R's View Post
Simple answer, Easyjet need to buy a small fleet of E195's for their summer SEN operation.
What they need to do is replace the two remaining underpowered A319s in the SEN based fleet with 2 more A320neos.
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 21:21
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I am disappointed that easyJet seem to be choosing to distress a few rather than make a (costly) fuel stop, as has happened in previous years. However, it does need to be noted that today was the hottest July day ever recorded. I also think it's worth pointing out that yesterday evening over 150 pax didn't make it to AMS, and another, 150 + didn't get back to SEN, because a contactor was unable to fuel aircraft at Schiphol.

​​​​​​I make the points because I believe perspective is important. Doesn't mean I'm not critical of what appears to going on, because for this airport every passenger matters. Or they should do.
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 22:05
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Seems to me that easy jet and schiphol are a bit pants. And sen are er. Ok
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Old 26th Jul 2019, 07:54
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Originally Posted by aurigny72 View Post
What they need to do is replace the two remaining underpowered A319s in the SEN based fleet with 2 more A320neos.
Three EZY A320 (two being neo) aircraft operating at SEN today and 40 scheduled departures by eight airlines. I think that's the highest daily number in SEN's new incarnation.
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Old 26th Jul 2019, 13:58
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unlike all the other London airports SEN has no delays/cancelations this news will no doubt upset the people that have got it in for our airport, WELL DONE EZY/RYAN AIR for keeping things running smoothly
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Old 26th Jul 2019, 14:41
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Originally Posted by mikkie4 View Post
unlike all the other London airports SEN has no delays/cancelations this news will no doubt upset the people that have got it in for our airport, WELL DONE EZY/RYAN AIR for keeping things running smoothly
Yes indeed mikkie that must have come as a bitter disappointment to some of the Bedfordshire brotherhood.

I am sorry that many of LTNs pax had their travel disrupted in the last 24 hours, however to be fair much of that was wx related and I understand Swanwick had problems.

Well done to all at SEN and with one of the highest temps on record it proves that the airlines/airport can operate efficiently and with little commercial penalty even in the most extreme conditions.

It would be good if some of our critics would welcome that fact, but I'm not holding my breath.

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