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Old 22nd Jul 2019, 07:40
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Interesting for a few here but a nightmare for those that will be losing their summer holiday.
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Old 22nd Jul 2019, 07:51
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Spanish eyes

You illustrate my point perfectly: "a nightmare for those that will be losing their summer holiday.".
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Old 22nd Jul 2019, 07:51
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
If passengers booked a hotel through Easyjet I would think they would be the last people to be kicked off as I think Easyjet would be liable for the lost hotel accommodation as well because passengers would have bought a package. On the day through would those that pick the unfortunate know who has booked a package?

Reading last weeks newspaper article it would appear that those kicked off had no idea what was the real cause of their misery.

Could Easyjet not take a full load and refuel on the way at a small airport to reduce the delay?

Is Ryanair affected by this issue?
I can't be certain but I seem to remember that in the early days of easyJet at SEN they hopped down to Bournemouth to refuel before flying onwards. Can't remember the destination(s) but I think it was during summer ops. Maybe someone else has a clearer memory than me?
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Old 22nd Jul 2019, 07:58
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Originally Posted by Expressflight View Post
It will certainly be interesting to see if SEN ops are affected this week by high temperatures/wind conditions imposing limiting RTOWs. When and if that happens is the time to discuss things in my opinion, rather than pessimistic speculation at this stage. I hope someone also monitors LCY ops, and maybe elsewhere, in a similar manner to add a little balance to the discussion.
Doesn't post #3332 tell us that it has already been an issue?
A spokesman for easyJet said: As with all airlines, weight restrictions are in place for safety reasons. The aircraft was overweight for the weather conditions which meant that 11 passengers had to be transferred onto a later flight. "
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Old 22nd Jul 2019, 09:53
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Further to LTNman's suggestion of fuelling en route, are aircraft permitted to refuel whilst passengers remain on board?
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Old 22nd Jul 2019, 09:54
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Originally Posted by LGS6753 View Post
Further to LTNman's suggestion of fuelling en route, are aircraft permitted to refuel whilst passengers remain on board?
On the ground at least, passengers can remain on board but the toilets can't be used and seatbelts shouldn't be fastened (at least on SAS).
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Old 22nd Jul 2019, 10:19
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How much would the operational cost of the flight rise were a fuel stop required?
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Old 22nd Jul 2019, 11:22
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I hope it doesn't come down to what is the cheapest option for the airline rather than doing what is the right thing. I also seem to remember that Easyjet have done refuelling stops in the past from Southend. Not knowing much about performance Vs temperature I would have thought wind speed and wind direction would also pay a part so a gale blowing down the runway might save the day.
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Old 22nd Jul 2019, 11:24
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Originally Posted by LGS6753 View Post
Further to LTNman's suggestion of fuelling en route, are aircraft permitted to refuel whilst passengers remain on board?
It's completely normal to fuel aircraft with passengers on board, also when they are embarking / disembarking.

It needs to be said that when EZY tell the poor unfortunates - whose holiday plans are being thrown into disarray - that they are sooooo sorry, but safety is everything in aviation - you can bet your bottom dollar they don't tell them there is a perfectly workable alternative, but it costs the airline a great deal more and plays havoc with the schedule.

It doesn't sit well with me, but as ​​​​Expressflight has pointed out this is also a problem elsewhere, with LCY having had major issues over this.
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Old 22nd Jul 2019, 11:33
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It needs to be said that when EZY tell the poor unfortunates - whose holiday plans are being thrown into disarray - that they are sooooo sorry, but safety is everything in aviation - you can bet your bottom dollar they don't tell them there is a perfectly workable alternative, but it costs the airline a great deal more and plays havoc with the schedule.
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Old 22nd Jul 2019, 11:42
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Boils down to operating out of marginal airports. If the summer heat doesn't get you then the fog and a CAT1 ILS will. Easyjet will have taken this into account when deciding a SEN base but passengers hate disruption.
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Old 22nd Jul 2019, 12:39
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Originally Posted by Spanish eyes View Post
Boils down to operating out of marginal airports. If the summer heat doesn't get you then the fog and a CAT1 ILS will. Easyjet will have taken this into account when deciding a SEN base but passengers hate disruption.
It's strange that a number of posters in here can't wait to rub their hands with glee at any perceived glitch in the SEN operation. To my knowledge SEN's terminal is not littered with disappointed pax who have been denied boarding, should that be the case EZY would have departed long ago and FR wouldn't have even bothered. Their respective number crunchers will have worked out their performance figures under various met. conditions and deemed them to be commercially viable, so
let's give this theme a bit of rest shall we, it's all getting rather tedious.

Perhaps we could shift the attention to the LTN thread where it has been reported some of the fire exits were blocked when the terminal had to be evacuated a while ago.
Now if true that really is something to be concerned about.

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Old 22nd Jul 2019, 15:03
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Originally Posted by Planespeaking View Post


It's strange that a number of posters in here can't wait to rub their hands with glee at any perceived glitch in the SEN operation. To my knowledge SEN's terminal is not littered with disappointed pax who have been denied boarding, should that be the case EZY would have departed long ago and FR wouldn't have even bothered. Their respective number crunchers will have worked out their performance figures under various met. conditions and deemed them to be commercially viable, so
let's give this theme a bit of rest shall we, it's all getting rather tedious. Perhaps we could shift the attention to the LTN thread where it has been reported some of the fire exits were blocked when the terminal had to be evacuated a while ago.
Now that could be serious.
Well said Planespeaking i quite agree with your sentiments. It does seem to me sometimes that a few posters here would like SEN to fail, maybe i am wrong in that opinion, i sincerely hope i am. Lets now just wait and see what (if anything} happens this week during the hot spell of weather.
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Old 22nd Jul 2019, 15:33
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If anyone is kicked off their flight then best not to mention it here as this is the good news only thread. It is no good burying ones head in the sand as the subject was raised about easyjet selling seats that they can't fill for technical reasons if it gets too hot. If it happens SEN will be the victim just as much as the passengers so I wouldn't call it anti Southend. As already mentioned would anyone here book a flight to Malaga from Southend in the next couple of days?
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Old 22nd Jul 2019, 16:17
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Originally Posted by Pain in the R's View Post
As already mentioned would anyone here book a flight to Malaga from Southend in the next couple of days?
Yes I would, although not at the price being asked, and I'll be at SEN tomorrow so I'll see for myself how things are going with an Easterly wind forecast.
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Old 22nd Jul 2019, 20:43
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Your honesty without the spin is always appreciated here.
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Old 22nd Jul 2019, 22:18
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At current prices it would appear a lot of people have..maybe they have a weather forecast built into the pricing algorithm to keep the weight down ��.
Whilst we all seem to be focusing on ezy do the 737`s have similar problems when it’s hot ?
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Old 22nd Jul 2019, 22:34
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One of the more depressing features of this thread is the sheer ignorance of the workings of the airline industry displayed by some of those who make the most noise. Some of the preceding posters seem completely unaware that many airlines use a deliberate overbooking policy as part of their normal commercial operation. Such an airline will probably have an overbooking profile for each route based on its operational experience. The aim is that the number of seats overbooked should equal the number of no-shows. In this way revenue is maximised. When as sometimes happens all the pax turn up, then the airline is into offloads rebooking, hotels, EU261, social media even perhaps the mainstream press. Its the commercial risk the airline takes. You may not like it but it is common practice.

To imply that it is only at SEN that you will get bumped off is nonsense. EZY clearly have an overbooking policy (though I have no knowledge as to the details of its workings) that may apply anywhere. This article shows the policy coming unstuck for EZY at other well known London area airports.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...enied-boarding
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Old 23rd Jul 2019, 07:45
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There is a bit of a difference as overbooking if carried out is by one or two seats only and allows for no shows so I doubt if anyone is routinely kicked off a flight as most flights are not full and those that are will have passengers who have not turned up so allowing for those overbooked to find a seat. What is going to happen is the mass expulsion of passengers due to a weather issue that for Easyjet is unique to Southend and won't happen at Gatwick, Luton and Stansted in the London area. That is assuming the flights are nearly full.
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Old 23rd Jul 2019, 08:08
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Originally Posted by Tagron View Post
To imply that it is only at SEN that you will get bumped off is nonsense. EZY clearly have an overbooking policy (though I have no knowledge as to the details of its workings) that may apply anywhere. This article shows the policy coming unstuck for EZY at other well known London area airports.
I know for a fact that recently 6 pax were bumped off a SEN-JER due to overbooking. If that scenario happened this week on a SEN-AGP flight it would be assumed by some on here that it was due to a temperature-limiting RTOW being the cause. To be honest I quite expect some problems tomorrow as a light Westerly wind in hot conditions is the worst case for SEN. Will it be a catastrophe if this happens? Of course not because these will be extreme temperatures for England and we will probably have train cancellations etc. as well. Some on here simply seize any opportunity to emphasise SEN's limitations and that's their choice but you won't find the same thing on the LTN forum when it's SNOCLO for hours and SEN is operational, nor the LCY forum when a 300' cloudbase causes mass diversions - usually to SEN. Funny old World isn't it?

Regarding RYR's SEN Ops, as a guide in normal, but very warm, Summer temperatures they can lift 189 pax for a 3 hour flight with no problems and only after that do they need to be creative with 'packs off' procedures and the like.

Off to SEN now.
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