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Old 30th May 2019, 22:42
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Originally Posted by southside bobby View Post
Basically correct of course AirportPlanner1 but the application/reapplication process would have run on & on with far more delaying/aborting attempts from the "new age" lobbyist groups now & the ever present SSE.
Again, not quite true. For a national infrastructure application such as Heathrow’s new runway indeed things could be kicked into the long grass. For more ‘general’ applications such as the recent one to Uttlesford there would be a set timeframe to handle the appeal. Of course, the Secretary of State could call any application in but again there *should* be compelling reasons for doing so and an unlawful/unreasonable decision could be challenged. In any case, intervention should come with relatively minimal delay.
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Old 30th May 2019, 23:14
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 View Post
Luton in 1997 had just over 3 million pax. In 2017 it had almost 16 million. The expansion proposals seem to indicate Luton serving up to about 35 million pax per year

If demand at Southend is strong enough (and with Heathrow R3 permanently on hold, demand will go somewhere) then corporate cash will eventually find a way to expand at Southend with the promise of jobs as a sop for the local council / voters

10m pax at Southend in 2021 ? Not a chance
10m pax at Southend in 2031 ? Wouldn't rule it out
SEN is a far more constrained site than Luton which has a direct dual carriageway to the M1 which is around 2 miles away. The first issue for SEN is road access and getting passengers to and from the airport. Anyone got a suggested fix here?

Southend has a good future but it should not be greedy with a race to the bottom.

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Old 30th May 2019, 23:58
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Only Stobart are being greedy, but they have no choice. Scaling back on their ambition is no longer an option. Way too far down the runway to abort. And you are right, LTNman, SEN is hamstrung by its links to the motorway network. But LTN doesn't have a station 60 secs walk from the terminal, but neither that, nor anything else, has prevented expansion so wonderfully recorded by your photography on your home thread.

By the way, are you very, very tall? Or are you using a drone (naughty) to get those great shots?
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Old 31st May 2019, 19:28
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Stobart have said the following

We see SEN as a 10m pa airport with plans to hit 5m by 2023

5m could be achievable but 10m would mean investment in local infrastructure I.e. The local road network, can the council or Stobart afford this?
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Old 31st May 2019, 20:31
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Not sure it’s been reported here

Looks like the Tui Palma flights finish this summer.
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 13:46
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Stobart FBO

I see the FBO will only open during the day going forward 0630 - 1830, unless an operator makes a specific request for night-time handling. Does this suggest executive movements have not grown as expected?
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 14:04
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Originally Posted by Expressflight View Post
The reason for the Flybe SEN-ANR rroute not being bookable beyond October is presumably because KLM and Cityjet are establishing Air Antwerp, whose first route will be ANR-LCY using F50 equipment. Other routes from ANR are planned and an aircraft upgrade can be expected once the routes establish their viability.
I've heard a rumour that Cityjet has pulled out of the project.
Flybe flights are now not bookable beyond 30th August... I wonder how viable an airline is with 1 Fokker 50.
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 14:50
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I find it odd that SEN management apparently cannot be bothered to promote the Jetlink X1 coach service that commences in four days time. I would have thought the service, which fills the gaps in the current train service by offering a London Victoria to/from SEN for the first wave departures and the last wave arrivals, would be of some value to SEN's marketing people.
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 14:58
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Originally Posted by rocker6346 View Post
I've heard a rumour that Cityjet has pulled out of the project.
Flybe flights are now not bookable beyond 30th August... I wonder how viable an airline is with 1 Fokker 50.
At present SEN-ANR is shown on the calender as bookable in October but oddly not in September. Not yet bookable though.
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 15:35
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Originally Posted by asdf1234 View Post
I see the FBO will only open during the day going forward 0630 - 1830, unless an operator makes a specific request for night-time handling. Does this suggest executive movements have not grown as expected?
Luton is meant to be closed to biz jets from 23:00 to 07:00 until September 30th except it doesn't appear to have started yet as it is not NOTAMed. If the SEN FBO is closed from 18:30 it would appear they have given up and might as well put the fire out in their inglenook.

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Old 4th Jun 2019, 15:45
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
Luton is meant to be closed to biz jets from 23:00 to 07:00 until September 30th except it doesn't appear to have started yet as it is not NOTAMed. If the SEN FBO is closed from 18:30 it would appear they have given up and might as well put the fire out in their inglenook.
Thankyou for your usual constructive comments LTNman. Don't rub your hands together with glee just yet!

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Old 4th Jun 2019, 15:47
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
Luton is meant to be closed to biz jets from 23:00 to 07:00 until September 30th except it doesn't appear to have started yet as it is not NOTAMed. If the SEN FBO is closed from 18:30 it would appear they have given up and might as well put the fire out in their inglenook.
SEN has been busy so far this month at night (15 plus bizjets on Sunday night) and at least three heavy bizjets last night but maybe this is all traffic that can't get a STN slot.
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 17:08
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Originally Posted by Planespeaking View Post


Thankyou for your usual constructive comments LTNman. Don't rub your hands together with glee just yet!


Why would I be rubbing my hands with glee? Sounds like the report by asdf1234 cannot be correct

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Old 4th Jun 2019, 18:06
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
Why would I be rubbing my hands with glee? Sounds like the report by asdf1234 cannot be correct
Web Site still says 24 hours but last news item is fron Jan 2018 so they do not seem to be keeping things up to date, or no news!
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 21:20
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Originally Posted by Expressflight View Post
I find it odd that SEN management apparently cannot be bothered to promote the Jetlink X1 coach service that commences in four days time. I would have thought the service, which fills the gaps in the current train service by offering a London Victoria to/from SEN for the first wave departures and the last wave arrivals, would be of some value to SEN's marketing people.
They haven't even updated the website. Over the last 2 or 3 years they have blown hot and cold on self promotion, at times making sure that press releases go out - backed up on social media - as soon as any positive news breaks. Right now they're in one of their "doldrums" periods, when it seems they can't be bothered.
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 21:21
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
Why would I be rubbing my hands with glee? Sounds like the report by asdf1234 cannot be correct
It was NOTAMed starting 7th June .
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 21:49
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ALL AIRCRAFT REQUIRING HANDLING FROM THE FBO BETWEEN 1830-0630
(1930-0730) ARE REQUESTED TO CONTACT THE STOBART JET CENTRE AS SOON
AS POSSIBLE IN ORDER TO RECEIVE A CONFIRMED HANDLING REQUEST FOR ALL
SERVICES REQUIRED.
STOBART JET CENTRE
TEL: 01702-538593/658595

Just suggests that they want to know what is arriving in advance so they can keep the fire going and that there is someone to greet them apart from the company cat.

Southend should have a busy few months I would have thought.
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 21:59
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So a few rushing to get into Luton or Stansted before curfews could be disappointment!
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 22:15
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The NOTAM certainly does not say that the FBO will be shut or in any other way restricted, only that prior notification is requested.
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 22:25
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Maybe if nothing was booked in the staff lock the door and go home just like the terminal. I am sure Stobart would not want to be paying staff to watch the TV.
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