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Old 10th Jan 2019, 23:21
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On the face of it I can't see that this is of any benefit to SEN, but time will tell.
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Old 11th Jan 2019, 02:32
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Originally Posted by EGPO View Post
Out of interest, given the limits on the Runway at Southend , how many aicraft have, Ryanair based there .
I can't imagine they have a huge amount of 738's SFP capabilities.
I take it also from the above post that they are limited on weight even with that technology.
I thought years ago they had said they might look toward foreign built , Sub130 Seat aircraft .
Naturally the Sukhoi - used by Cityjet Eire
Or the VSeries now A220-100/300 Both able to be at max weight and land with only 1400 odd metres of Runway so I read .

Perhaps if Boeing and Airbus saw the advantage in having in their range an aircraft able to carry upto 130 pax on a short Runway .( C-Series , by Airbus )
And the exellent Embraer E Jets , especially the new E2 etc ( better engines , braking and electronics ).
So if the manufacturers see this , why can't the likes of Ryanair.
It would open up more routes to smaller airports , that would have the demand , but are limited by runway .
Eg they if had say the A220 could operate from LCY.
Ryanairs business plan relies on only using one aircraft type to keep costs down, they simply will not enter the market if it requires another type of aircraft, which would increase their costs.
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Old 11th Jan 2019, 07:33
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A snippet from a statement posted on the Flybe thread.

The Acquisition will enable Flybe to benefit from committed strategic investment partners in terms of Cyrus, Stobart Group and Virgin Atlantic (through Connect Airways) and from an enhanced presence at London Heathrow Airport and Manchester Airport with potential to grow further in London Southend Airport.• The Acquisition and combination with franchise airline, Stobart Air, will provide the Combined Group with an opportunity to increase passenger numbers at London Southend Airport, accelerating its growth for and European air travel.
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Old 11th Jan 2019, 08:23
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Good deal for SEN

The deal gives Stobart £25m up front when DPL buys a 5% share of Stobart .It then gives them a further £25m in 6 years time assuming the JV generates enough profit and cash to allow the second payment. Cash is key right now as the existing business at the airport is loss-making. Stobart loses control of Stobart Air however given that the assets are all on sale & leaseback deals this is most probably a good thing. Being a junior partner they may not have too much sway over the basing of FlyBe assets at SEN but only time will tell .for now the £25m must be very welcome at Stobart Towers .
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Old 11th Jan 2019, 08:31
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This may mean that Stobart row back from their decision to reduce the SEN operation to just ANR, CFR, GRQ, NQY and RNS in two month's time and to terminate the Flybe franchise entirely in a year's time. The elimination of all the E195 routes from SEN is almost complete so this year's STK operation at SEN will be a shadow of its former self. Any re-think brought about by this deal, if it goes ahead, is likely to be beneficial to SEN rather than detrimental, especially in light of Warwick Brady's comments in the statement.
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Old 11th Jan 2019, 09:21
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My interpretation of the information issued is that Stobart Air and Leasing business will be no more but will be absorbed into Connect Airways (the holding company). Stand by for a lot of pruning at some regional airports and concentrate on Heathrow, Manchester and Southampton. Of course all this has to be agreed by the shareholders which are going to get 1p per share.
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Old 11th Jan 2019, 10:31
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Originally Posted by compton3bravo View Post
My interpretation of the information issued is that Stobart Air and Leasing business will be no more but will be absorbed into Connect Airways (the holding company). Stand by for a lot of pruning at some regional airports and concentrate on Heathrow, Manchester and Southampton. Of course all this has to be agreed by the shareholders which are going to get 1p per share.
It's a case of wait and see but everyone is assuming they will cut but it could also be a case of them keeping the current bases but expanding at the likes of MAN to turn it into a transatlantic hub. You've also got to remember that at Heathrow their slots are limited and it isn't a base for Flybe, all the flights are non based.
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Old 11th Jan 2019, 13:14
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LHR probably will become a base, with transfer of some AF slots if the deeper merger goes ahead. Crewed by a reduction in BHX?

Certainly no bad news for SEN; People talk about FR doing a runner - not sure what the deal is but it is more likely they will tinker with the route structure and if/when the leave routes and some may revert to son of Stobart

All speculation I know....
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Old 11th Jan 2019, 13:29
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Originally Posted by 22/04 View Post
LHR probably will become a base, with transfer of some AF slots if the deeper merger goes ahead. Crewed by a reduction in BHX?

Certainly no bad news for SEN; People talk about FR doing a runner - not sure what the deal is but it is more likely they will tinker with the route structure and if/when the leave routes and some may revert to son of Stobart

All speculation I know....
Can you indicate where it has been reported that FR are about to do a 'runner'. SEN would not be spending £10m on runway improvements to accommodate FR this spring if there was any doubt. May I suggest that such comments are less than helpful.
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Old 11th Jan 2019, 13:54
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Originally Posted by 22/04 View Post
LHR probably will become a base, with transfer of some AF slots if the deeper merger goes ahead. Crewed by a reduction in BHX?

Certainly no bad news for SEN; People talk about FR doing a runner - not sure what the deal is but it is more likely they will tinker with the route structure and if/when the leave routes and some may revert to son of Stobart

All speculation I know....
Please stop being so negative about the scheduled new RYR ops from SEN, even if you read such BS from other posters. It doesn't help anybody.
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Old 11th Jan 2019, 15:40
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FR doing a runner.........

The first mention I can find of FR "doing a runner" is a post on this forum #2501. When AirportPlanner1 made this post I am sure he didn't expect them to, it was just a "what if" scenario. I am sure nobody seriously expects them to up and away quickly after arrival; as has been said a lot here, they ain't stupid, they've done their homework.
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Old 11th Jan 2019, 21:05
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At this stage it appears that the investors in Connect concur that SEN has a role to play if the takeover of Flybe goes through. Stobart people will lead, but as investment in services from the airport is no longer at their sole risk, then it's clear to me that all must have agreed to a way forward for SEN post Flybe.
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Old 11th Jan 2019, 21:18
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As I understand it, before the (proposed) deal, both the airline and airport were part of the same business, and within the same management structure. Presumably this won't be the case going forward?
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Old 12th Jan 2019, 01:59
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Stobart Air is the airline. Stobart Aviation is the airport operator of SEN and CAX. Both of course part of Stobart Group .
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Old 12th Jan 2019, 21:29
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Indeed...my comments about FR “doing a runner” are purely in the context of them leaving other bases all over Europe and being near enough the most volatile partner.

Also by default the BE franchise deal would end because Stobart Air and Flybe would be effectely the same company.
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Old 14th Jan 2019, 18:42
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Old 14th Jan 2019, 19:06
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 View Post
Indeed...my comments about FR “doing a runner” are purely in the context of them leaving other bases all over Europe and being near enough the most volatile partner.

Also by default the BE franchise deal would end because Stobart Air and Flybe would be effectely the same company.
As long as SEN can keep the costs to the lowest, take a look at their base in Shannon..there have been many “deals” yet most end up with routes being axed..until SNN come along again and sign a new one ect. In the last 10 years they’ve launched nearly 50 routes coinciding with many deals however only 18-19 will operate this summer
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Old 14th Jan 2019, 21:09
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SWBKCB - I think you assume correctly
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Old 14th Jan 2019, 21:10
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Originally Posted by Buster the Bear View Post
That is not actually true. Long stay car park 3 at SEN is 15 minutes free for drop off and pick up.
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 06:25
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Badly written research as they seem to have used a combination of parking charges and drop off charges. Luton is listed at £3 which is their 10 minute drop off charge. The short term car park would cost £8 for 10 minutes but the mid and long term would be free. In fact the long term at Luton is free for the first 2 hours.
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