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Old 18th Dec 2018, 14:42
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Originally Posted by SEN Observer
tophat......What have you heard differently? I have just had a poke around on Air Malta's booking site and every time I tried Southend to Cagliari for June next year I got redirected to Heathrow flights. Obviously not saying you're wrong, but what goes on?
Sorry, but I was relying on Tagrons earlier post as being correct. I haven't had a free moment to explore the website myself yet.
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Old 19th Dec 2018, 11:28
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At the moment Air Malta's Cagliari flights are using Gatwick twice a week. For the summer season Malta Cagliari is bookable however the return is 7 hours 45 minutes after arrival in Cagliari implying the the aircraft will go on somewhere else, whether this is Gatwick or Southend who knows. Air Malta does have form for announcing new routes quite late though.

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Old 19th Dec 2018, 15:55
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Runway length must surely be a punishing factor for some of the routes at SEN? I'm thinking in particular of services to Tenerife, Malta, Corfu etc.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 05:28
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Runway resurfacing starts January overnight for 3 months. Means runway closed 23:30 - 06:30 daily.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 05:51
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Originally Posted by asdf1234
Runway resurfacing starts January overnight for 3 months. Means runway closed 23:30 - 06:30 daily.
Runway grooving.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 12:22
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Originally Posted by tophat27dt
Runway grooving.
Yes they will be grooving the runway as part of the resurfacing work.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 13:46
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3 months seems a long time to tarmac and groove a shortish narrow runway. One man and his dog comes to mind.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 14:32
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Originally Posted by LTNman
3 months seems a long time to tarmac and groove a shortish narrow runway. One man and his dog comes to mind.
Wrong again. There will be two dogs.
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 08:57
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Air Malta is moving its Gatwick flight to Southend today and maybe tomorrow. A very small version of Ryanair moving Gatwick flights to Stansted

Although I expect some passengers who live in the South of England won't be too pleased, but at least the flight is operating.
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 10:48
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At least they will make up the extra time spent traveling as they speed through to their gate.
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 12:46
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Some basic information regarding the runway works. No dogs involved apparently.

https://southendairport.com/frequent...d-runway-works
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 12:55
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Originally Posted by danielson81
Air Malta is moving its Gatwick flight to Southend today and maybe tomorrow. A very small version of Ryanair moving Gatwick flights to Stansted

Although I expect some passengers who live in the South of England won't be too pleased, but at least the flight is operating.
Im not sure the sarcasm is necessary? Fair play to Air Malta, at short notice. I suppose they already have handling agreements in place at SEN, which helps. Ryanair only operate 11 flights a day from LGW. 8 to Dublin, one each to Cork, Shannon and Alicante. Proportionally it would be pretty similar.

Although small in numbers, relocations like Ryanair and Air Malta have a two-fold benefit, their passengers get away and are not clogging up Gatwick as it recovers.
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Old 22nd Dec 2018, 07:14
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Originally Posted by runwayman
Winter Adria Paderborn schedule will stop on 6 Jan may be re-instated Summer 2019 depending on advance bookings
CAA stats for November show an average load of 8.75. Ouch!
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Old 22nd Dec 2018, 07:48
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1


CAA stats for November show an average load of 8.75. Ouch!
Thats why it's being dropped and they will think about the future plans. Certainly it needs more advertising both ends, and a better schedule to attract the IT people to use it. As a tourist route, I doubt if it can survive. Maybe Adria should consider Ljubljana instead. A nice city centrally placed for the lakes mountains and beaches.
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Old 22nd Dec 2018, 08:20
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How did Cityjet manage on their London City-Paderborn route 5 years ago ? They used a Fokker 50 and I seem to remember loads being higher than 9 pax per flight...
Even when OLT Express ran their ill fated routes to Saarbrucken and Dresden from Southend it wasn't that bad.
Is it lack of advertising ? Stupidly high pricing ? Bad schedule ? Something else ?
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Old 22nd Dec 2018, 08:37
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
How did Cityjet manage on their London City-Paderborn route 5 years ago ? They used a Fokker 50 and I seem to remember loads being higher than 9 pax per flight...
Even when OLT Express ran their ill fated routes to Saarbrucken and Dresden from Southend it wasn't that bad.
Is it lack of advertising ? Stupidly high pricing ? Bad schedule ? Something else ?
I think it's a combination of all three...and maybe something else!
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Old 22nd Dec 2018, 08:55
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With the fares they charge for the schedule they operate they’ve done well to get that many. I see the Tuesday flight has been cancelled the last two weeks in a row, I guess we can take from that most people are travelling Thu-Sun in either direction and those loads are better (although still very poor).

Re Cityjet I think their route was daily. I think it was also cheaper. Much more attractive to business pax than flying in the middle of the day on a Tuesday or Thursday
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Old 22nd Dec 2018, 15:22
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I cannot see Ljubljana working either. Easy have a daily some twice daily from Stansted and also Wizz from Luton.
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Old 22nd Dec 2018, 17:24
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Originally Posted by tophat27dt
Maybe Adria should consider Ljubljana instead.
The issue is that Adria has done a deal with Paderborn Airport where Paderborn pays them a considerable sum to base an aircraft there to operate a number of routes. There is some middle-of-the-day space on the Paderborn aircraft and they used it for SEN.

If you're proposing that SEN-LJU would work, a couple of questions:
  • Who would use the service? UK leisure passengers? Slovenian business passengers? How would it be more competitive than Wizz Air's LTN-LJU?
  • Since the profitability of the route would be - let's say - "uncertain", who would be underwriting the service to convince the airline? Stobart? Ljubljana Airport?
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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 11:42
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If Stobart was brought in to run your local airport would you be happy?
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