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Old 25th May 2018, 15:02
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The airlines are not responsible for this. Belfast is a small airport, it carries a small volume of passengers, airports such as Stansted (25 million) rarely have these issues, so the likes of Belfast should be easy to get through.
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Old 25th May 2018, 16:59
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I think you have been looking at Stansted through rose coloured glasses. I have seen it a mess.
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Met a family from Boston today who were doing the tour of the island-of-Ireland coast clockwise and had reached NI. They flew in to Cork from Providence on Norwegian; they didn't even know that Norwegian flew to Belfast

I am afraid to think what Norwegian's Stateside advertising is like but it sounds like Belfast isn't high on the agenda.
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Old 25th May 2018, 20:07
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Originally Posted by El Bunto
Met a family from Boston today who were doing the tour of the island-of-Ireland coast clockwise and had reached NI. They flew in to Cork from Providence on Norwegian; they didn't even know that Norwegian flew to Belfast

I am afraid to think what Norwegian's Stateside advertising is like but it sounds like Belfast isn't high on the agenda.
I'm worried Norwegian at bfs will be a past tense come 2019, double daily out of Dublin was the writing on the wall.
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Old 25th May 2018, 20:36
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There’s some issue Stateside with marketing. Not sure of the details but one of the United bods told me several years ago that there was an arrangement with the Irish Tourist board that directed everything towards the South. Not sure if they get subsidies from them but it can’t be an accident that it’s happening again.
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Old 25th May 2018, 20:54
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Originally Posted by owenc
The airlines are not responsible for this. Belfast is a small airport, it carries a small volume of passengers, airports such as Stansted (25 million) rarely have these issues, so the likes of Belfast should be easy to get through.
Owen, this is just complete ignorance I'm afraid. There are multiple factors at play and the airlines certainly are one because of their baggage model shift of late to avoid checked baggage (at least baggage checked in the hall as opposed to the front of the aircraft) I understand that the airport is getting flack for preparation but there are a lot of factors behind that too, not all of which are preventable regardless of how easily people like to deploy the 'shambles' and 'disgrace' monikers in short sighted social media posts.

There are also the passengers, some of whom need their heads examined. Either they arrive 4 hours early and jam the previous wave or they arrive with 45 minutes til departure screaming blue murder at the back of the priority search queue because 'this never happens at any other airport' demanding to be brought through as they have not left themselves enough time to present themselves at the gate prior to closure. Don't forget the jokers that like to meander their way along the snake and arrive at the search amazed to hear they have to take their coats off and computers out of bags and liquids in a certain way.

and for all the bumpf about the queues on Monday, sources tell me the queue time from boarding cards to 'Sip and Stone' was under 40 minutes. Add on 20 for the stairs and boarding cards and an hour (if you are hand baggage only) all told is not that bad for a peak season. Ask anyone at Stansted if they don't have relatively similar periods.

The airport is telling people to come early and they are telling people to be prepared for the search process. The passengers have to play their part..
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Old 25th May 2018, 20:58
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Originally Posted by Husky One
There’s some issue Stateside with marketing. Not sure of the details but one of the United bods told me several years ago that there was an arrangement with the Irish Tourist board that directed everything towards the South. Not sure if they get subsidies from them but it can’t be an accident that it’s happening again.
I suspect you are right H1, I don't think it is an accident either.
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Old 25th May 2018, 21:52
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Owen, this is just complete ignorance I'm afraid. There are multiple factors at play and the airlines certainly are one because of their baggage model shift of late to avoid checked baggage (at least baggage checked in the hall as opposed to the front of the aircraft) I understand that the airport is getting flack for preparation but there are a lot of factors behind that too, not all of which are preventable regardless of how easily people like to deploy the 'shambles' and 'disgrace' monikers in short sighted social media posts.

There are also the passengers, some of whom need their heads examined. Either they arrive 4 hours early and jam the previous wave or they arrive with 45 minutes til departure screaming blue murder at the back of the priority search queue because 'this never happens at any other airport' demanding to be brought through as they have not left themselves enough time to present themselves at the gate prior to closure. Don't forget the jokers that like to meander their way along the snake and arrive at the search amazed to hear they have to take their coats off and computers out of bags and liquids in a certain way.

and for all the bumpf about the queues on Monday, sources tell me the queue time from boarding cards to 'Sip and Stone' was under 40 minutes. Add on 20 for the stairs and boarding cards and an hour (if you are hand baggage only) all told is not that bad for a peak season. Ask anyone at Stansted if they don't have relatively similar periods.

The airport is telling people to come early and they are telling people to be prepared for the search process. The passengers have to play their part..
as said before, well said
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Old 25th May 2018, 22:30
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I don't think i've ever met an American tourist who hasn't come through Dublin.
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Old 25th May 2018, 22:37
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Don't forget the jokers that like to meander their way along the snake and arrive at the search amazed to hear they have to take their coats off and computers out of bags and liquids in a certain way.
^^^ That drives me close to insanity and is a very fair point.

....and those who don’t clear off from after the body scanners while they re-dress.
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Old 25th May 2018, 22:47
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The very last point is very true. But when will security employ someone with the specific task of ensuring that people don't stand at the x-ray machine whilst they re pack?
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Old 26th May 2018, 06:26
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Originally Posted by SecondDog
The airport is telling people to come early and they are telling people to be prepared for the search process. The passengers have to play their part..
The passengers are paying for transportation from Belfast to X. Adhering to the conditions of carriage is the passenger's responsibility and the transportation part is the airline's responsibility. Everything else is the airport's 'part to play'.

When I buy a ticket I enter into a contract with the airline. I don't sign any contract with the airport, that is a business-to-business contract between them and my airline. So if the airport is having dificulties handling volume they should take it up in the first instance with the airlines, not with the passengers.
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Old 26th May 2018, 06:47
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The airport is telling people to come early and they are telling people to be prepared for the search process. The passengers have to play their part..
And human nature being what it is, not everybody will do what you want them to do, so you have to manage the process.

As Einstein said, "doing the same thing repeatedly, and expecting different results is the definition of insanity,"
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Old 28th May 2018, 17:51
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2019 to Burgas announced by travel solutions
https://nitravelnews.com/news/travel...days%E2%80%A8/
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Old 28th May 2018, 17:52
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Travel Solutions Launch Their 2019 Balkan Sun Holidays


https://nitravelnews.com/news/travel...days%E2%80%A8/
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Old 28th May 2018, 17:54
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Old 28th May 2018, 18:05
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Looking at the times it looks like they are using the new Jet2 route to Bourgas!
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Old 29th May 2018, 11:13
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Any idea of what the loads are like in virgin?
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Old 29th May 2018, 20:48
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Any idea of what the loads are like in virgin?
Regarding loads I think you should have wrote ''ON VIRGIN'' rather than ''IN VIRGIN'' :-)
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Old 29th May 2018, 21:01
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65-70% lately. Improving towards 75% as June roll through with the silly season around 90%
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