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Old 24th Jun 2019, 22:54
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Originally Posted by mart901 View Post
It was Ryanair that stated they pulled flights because of APD, sorry if I wasn't clear.

I would never leave flights to a week ahead to book, its normally months and even up to a year or more. We booked Lanzarote in April and we're travelling in July 2020 par example. Low cost airlines work on the basis they get more expensive the closer you get, the opposite to how airlines (charter in particular) used to work. They budget things like fuel on funds from early bookings.This is the whole reason Ryanair have reduced services, the fact you could get cheap fares at the last minute means they've sold below cost all the way through from when the flight went on sale.
Its a bit more complicated than that - airlines are running systems 24/7/365 constantly analysing booking rates, inventory, competitor pricing etc and then adjusting their fares to optimise yield - this can lead to prices rising or falling as the day of flight approaches. There are tens of variables which will affect the quoted prices at any particular time.
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Old 24th Jun 2019, 23:25
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Originally Posted by speedrestriction View Post


Its a bit more complicated than that - airlines are running systems 24/7/365 constantly analysing booking rates, inventory, competitor pricing etc and then adjusting their fares to optimise yield - this can lead to prices rising or falling as the day of flight approaches. There are tens of variables which will affect the quoted prices at any particular time.
Granted yes, I agree. But, if FR was making money they'd be there. And my sources tell me they literally could only fill all that capacity by deep discounting. easyJet have basically beaten them, twice, first at LGW and now in the holy grail of FR territory STN.
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 04:18
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Originally Posted by mart901 View Post
Granted yes, I agree. But, if FR was making money they'd be there. And my sources tell me they literally could only fill all that capacity by deep discounting. easyJet have basically beaten them, twice, first at LGW and now in the holy grail of FR territory STN.
I agree. The issue with easyJet is that at Belfast, unlike some non core markets they have decided to hold tight and not be twarted by Ryanair's protracted war on price. Sadly, easyJet have in the past walked away from some big city bases due to the intensity of competitive pressures e.g. Madrid and Rome ... great that this hasn't happened here. The new head of easyJet clearly has been faced with the challenge of Ryanair and others, and strategically if they wanted to hold on to what they have, they need to hold firm in core markets. Ryanair seem to invest very heavily in low prices over a protracted period, until the competition walk away and they have the market to themselves, and most likely in the process racking up losses. This was the case I suggest on LGW, where commonly at any stage, you could bag a very low price in the days pre departure 12.99, which would hardly cover part of the costs.
INn BFS it is most likely that easyJet have taken a huge hit financially the face of Ryanair too.
Kudos to easyJet for holding firm.

Surprising that BHD has not tried to poach Ryanair. With these new 737s with short field performance etc, though the max issues will no doubt curtail Ryanair expansion in the very near term...


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Old 25th Jun 2019, 07:43
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Originally Posted by EI-BUD View Post
I agree. The issue with easyJet is that at Belfast, unlike some non core markets they have decided to hold tight and not be twarted by Ryanair's protracted war on price. Sadly, easyJet have in the past walked away from some big city bases due to the intensity of competitive pressures e.g. Madrid and Rome ... great that this hasn't happened here. The new head of easyJet clearly has been faced with the challenge of Ryanair and others, and strategically if they wanted to hold on to what they have, they need to hold firm in core markets. Ryanair seem to invest very heavily in low prices over a protracted period, until the competition walk away and they have the market to themselves, and most likely in the process racking up losses. This was the case I suggest on LGW, where commonly at any stage, you could bag a very low price in the days pre departure 12.99, which would hardly cover part of the costs.
INn BFS it is most likely that easyJet have taken a huge hit financially the face of Ryanair too.
Kudos to easyJet for holding firm.

Surprising that BHD has not tried to poach Ryanair. With these new 737s with short field performance etc, though the max issues will no doubt curtail Ryanair expansion in the very near term...
Once bitten twice shy for BHD? You could say the same in reverse when they left BHD.
I think EZY are so entrenched in the Northern Ireland market they'll not be shifted easily, also although they must indeed have took some of a hit they were never in FR territory pricing wise and they ramped up capacity. FR rarely go head to head with EZY, fighting cash strapped legacy airlines is more their bag.
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 10:06
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BHD never really made enough out of Molly to be worth it. They left on good terms I believe
The whole runway thing was a disaster with the Aldergrove fan club getting involved with scare stories.
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 10:47
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Originally Posted by Startledgrapefruit View Post
BHD never really made enough out of Molly to be worth it. They left on good terms I believe
The whole runway thing was a disaster with the Aldergrove fan club getting involved with scare stories.
Yeah but in the end they knew the runway wasn't long enough when they went there, and that was only to be away from EZY, who managed to find their way up there also. I just don't think there's much room for them, except on summer sun and some random city routes. EZY and BE have most of the market cornered, EI have retrenched to what is profitable for them and BA just do LHR and will unlikely ever do anything else. Clearly there is a bucket and spade market and LS have nicely developed that. I just don't see where FR fit in amongst all that.
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 11:31
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I just don't see where FR fit in amongst all that.[/QUOTE]

Build up a customer base and hope to drag them back down to Dublin when they pull out ?
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 12:01
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Originally Posted by mart901 View Post
Once bitten twice shy for BHD? You could say the same in reverse when they left BHD.
I think EZY are so entrenched in the Northern Ireland market they'll not be shifted easily, also although they must indeed have took some of a hit they were never in FR territory pricing wise and they ramped up capacity. FR rarely go head to head with EZY, fighting cash strapped legacy airlines is more their bag.
itd be nice to have more than one carrier in a small market. Especially if youre not loyal to EasyJet.
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 12:45
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Originally Posted by owenc View Post

itd be nice to have more than one carrier in a small market. Especially if youre not loyal to EasyJet.
In most markets there is.
LON has 4 carriers across 5 airports. Most of the other domestic routes have both BE and EZY competing. Nearly every major sunshine route has at least one if not multiple competitors.
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 13:20
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eh? STN,LTN and LGW now only have Easyjet. And TUI/Thomas Cook and Jet2 are as expensive as can be.
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 15:37
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Could all change with the BE/VS tie up
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 00:12
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Originally Posted by mart901 View Post
Once bitten twice shy for BHD? You could say the same in reverse when they left BHD.
I think EZY are so entrenched in the Northern Ireland market they'll not be shifted easily, also although they must indeed have took some of a hit they were never in FR territory pricing wise and they ramped up capacity. FR rarely go head to head with EZY, fighting cash strapped legacy airlines is more their bag.
Mart901,
i'd be inclined to disagree, Ryanair have been quite rigorous over the years at going after easyJet, they followed then into Madrid, Lisbon etc and overlapped significantly, and of course at Belfast with LGW and then the others, not to mention the routes into and out of the Republic in 2006. And routes like STN to Scotland, though they retreated spectacularly. Easyjet might just reappear in Dublin, as they have in Scandinavia and Eastern Europe, watch this space. . .

Separately, the prices to from City of Derry can be eye watering cheap, would make you wonder if Ryanair make an average return on those flights especially EDI ... for a, separate thread I guess.

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Old 27th Jun 2019, 00:33
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Originally Posted by EI-BUD View Post
Separately, the process to from City of Derry can be eye watering cheap, would make you wonder if Ryanair make an average return on those flights especially EDI ... for a, separate thread I guess.
I agree, however as you pointed out, LPL has a greater yield than that of EDI from LDY. LFs are really good on LPL and the LDY-EDI market just isnt the same as what exists between LPL-GLA. But... as you mentioned that is for a separate thread!
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 08:02
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No Verona flights this year?
Also beginning of decline in passenger numbers from last month compared to last year with FR down significantly on London?
Finally, apparently Carisle commences today at BHD, is this the best we can expect this year from Belfast? I mean surely Belfast can pull a couple of new routes per year? Those route development offices at both airports would surely like a Christmas bonus.
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Old 9th Jul 2019, 09:00
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New easyJet Marrakech, Morocco announced this morning for Winter. Second exotic route announcement in a week after last week's Carlisle.
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Old 9th Jul 2019, 09:04
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Great news. Good location for a short winter break. Fingers crossed for a few more
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Old 9th Jul 2019, 11:01
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Originally Posted by West Brit View Post
No Verona flights this year?
I saw 'Verona holidays direct from Belfast by Topflight' advertised on the side of a Metro bus at the weekend, but no further details
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Old 9th Jul 2019, 11:36
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Regarding the flights to Verona, in the past these were charters by Topflight and Tui. I think this year Topflight are using the Ryanair Bergamo flight. I presume Tui have just pulled the region from NI.
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Old 9th Jul 2019, 12:29
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What are Ryanair going to do then? Pull out or just sit with one flight a week?

why are they doing this?
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Old 9th Jul 2019, 14:52
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Heard a few rumours that EZY will be announcing JTR for the winter. And also may introduce routes to Germany, Spain and Denmark (most likely BFS-TXL, BFS-GIB, BFS-MAD and BFS-CPH) all dependent on the allocation of older 320 ceos, as LGW and MAN will be getting an influx of brand new neos. Potential starting APR 2020.

Also hearing Ryanair could be forced out altogether by the end of 2020 if no government is found in NI.
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