Aberdeen-2

[JSCL]

Think I'd sooner see Loganair cancel it than follow the Flybe school of economics.

[Atlantic Explorer]

Competing with Flybe BHX. There just isn’t the demand. EMA hasn’t worked too well for LM, the INV routes also got canned.

[craigyton2]

Originally Posted by Atlantic Explorer

Competing with Flybe BHX. There just isn’t the demand. EMA hasn’t worked too well for LM, the INV routes also got canned.

The EDI & GLA to EMA route seem to be doing quite well for them though. Most services going out with atleast an 80% load factor.

[Asturias56]

I can see why - try getting from either to Nottingham or Derby by train..................

[Atlantic Explorer]

Originally Posted by Asturias56

I can see why - try getting from either to Nottingham or Derby by train..................

Twice hourly from Edinburgh to Derby (1 direct, other with 1 change)

Hourly from Glasgow or for direct train, every 2 hours.

Whats the yield LM are getting from the route though?

[ATNotts]

Originally Posted by Atlantic Explorer

Twice hourly from Edinburgh to Derby (1 direct, other with 1 change)

Hourly from Glasgow or for direct train, every 2 hours.

Whats the yield LM are getting from the route though?

Derby is fine, Nottingham a bit of a rail backwater. And as for fares, without using a split ticketing website rail fares between the East Midlands and GLA / EDI are eyewatering, and I would suggest, ludicrously, a deal more expensive than LM's offering by air from EMA.

[inOban]

At one time quite a few Edinburgh trains called at Grantham, from which it is easy to get a train back to Nottingham, but nowadays it needs a change from Cross Country at Sheffield. The train's plus is frequency.

[Asturias56]

The 'plane's plus is that you get a seat...............

[BAladdy]

ABZ-LON S20 Changes

BE flights to LHR are increasing from 19 x weekly to 3 x Daily from start of S20 schedule

BE2121 ABZ 07:00 LHR 09:00 DH4 D
BE2123 ABZ 12:05 LHR 14:05 DH4 7
BE2125 ABZ 15:15 LHR 17:15 DH4 x7
BE2127 ABZ 17:35 LHR 19:35 DH4 x6
BE2127 ABZ 18:00 LHR 20:00 DH4 6

BE2122 LHR 09:45 ABZ 11:35 DH4 D
BE2124 LHR 14:50 ABZ 16:40 DH4 7
BE2126 LHR 18:05 ABZ 19:55 DH4 x7
BE2128 LHR 20:20 ABZ 22:10 DH4 x6
BE2128 LHR 20:45 ABZ 22:35 DH4 6

In other news, LM are dropping there 12 x Weekly SEN service from 16th April

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...id-april-2020/

[Richard Taylor]

Looks like Loganair have some competition when they launch BHX as part of the ex-Flybe routes they will launch ex-Aberdeen soon:

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/...on2_VOx5OsrteM

[liam4393]

Such a shame to hear the collapse of flybe - best of luck to all impacted.

Perhaps the economics of the LGW return must now look more attractive for easyJet? Also considering the level of flights which easyJet have cut to Europe recently given coronavirus fears (although only short-term cuts - hopefully!)

[Richard Taylor]

Been a while since last on here. Fair to say a few things have happened since then. Already reported on MAN thread but for the record here EZY intend launching a daily link MAN-ABZ from end Aug, pandemic permitting. Loganair may have some competition. See the MAN thread for the intended schedule.

[Atlantic Explorer]

Originally Posted by Richard Taylor

Been a while since last on here. Fair to say a few things have happened since then. Already reported on MAN thread but for the record here EZY intend launching a daily link MAN-ABZ from end Aug, pandemic permitting. Loganair may have some competition. See the MAN thread for the intended schedule.

Suffice to say that will put an end to the Loganair route. Can see EZY focussing much more on UK domestic while the European routes are in thin demand which will spell trouble for Loganair and Eastern who can’t afford to be flying about with next to no pax.

[M-JCS]

Originally Posted by Atlantic Explorer

Suffice to say that will put an end to the Loganair route. Can see EZY focussing much more on UK domestic while the European routes are in thin demand which will spell trouble for Loganair and Eastern who can’t afford to be flying about with next to no pax.

The problem with that is it is purely a fare-based supposition. It may be true for the tourist traffic, or those whose time has little value. But given aircraft size, there is no way EZY can economically offer the timings and frequency that business traffic, and even tourist traffic trying to make connections, requires. I'm not sure at all that it is game-out for Loganair. For the litigation minded, there might even be some thoughts in the direction of unfair competition laws, particularly if EZY destroys competition on a given route, only to quit it all together when it doesn't prove lucrative enough. There is precedent, after all, from certain LCCs.

[Flightrider]

Before any of this, surely we need to see if easyJet are actually going to do this? They're not holding slots (or even ghosted slots) at either airport for any service which looks remotely like this, and there's no sign that any announcement is imminent.

[scr1]

you book on to loganair flights through easyjets worldwide booking system could it be this??

[Dct_Mopas]

Originally Posted by scr1

you book on to loganair flights through easyjets worldwide booking system could it be this??

No, this is a daily service operated by easyJet on an A320.

[SealinkBF]

Oops. Deleted.

[davidjohnson6]

Ryanair look to have cancelled their Aberdeen-Faro route for summer 2020

[5711N0205W]

Auringny Dornier 228 G-OAUR in from Guernsey today, any ideas on the reason?