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Well obviously they would say that.
An airline would get into trouble with the authorities if they said "Here to cause pain to an unwelcome competitor until they get their something tanks off our lawn".
An airline would get into trouble with the authorities if they said "Here to cause pain to an unwelcome competitor until they get their something tanks off our lawn".
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KEF-ABZ axed
Air Iceland Connect is closing its Keflavik base and disposing of its Q400s, meaning KEF-ABZ will be axed on 14th May. BHD will also be cancelled, as well as domestic services from KEF. It will be interesting to see however if Icelandair do eventually return to Aberdeen with the B737 MAX. The use of the Q400 will definitely have had a negative impact on the route's success.
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ABZ and the B787
When it comes to the B787 is ABZ in a position, in terms of runway length, stands and taxiway, to accommodate it? I know stands 1A and 7 are equipped up to B767-300, but wasn’t sure if ABZ have factored in the newer wide body aircraft in their plans.
The reason I ask is surely with the likes of CWL having secured a daily QR 787 service to DOH with a catchment area similar to that of the North East, then surely ABZ even with the current economy could sustain a 3 to 4 weekly flight to the Middle East.
It really hasn’t been the best start to the year for ABZ, apart from the rumblings of Norwegian is there any other likely additions (apart from FR)?
The reason I ask is surely with the likes of CWL having secured a daily QR 787 service to DOH with a catchment area similar to that of the North East, then surely ABZ even with the current economy could sustain a 3 to 4 weekly flight to the Middle East.
It really hasn’t been the best start to the year for ABZ, apart from the rumblings of Norwegian is there any other likely additions (apart from FR)?
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If you look at the Cardiff page the flight hasn’t set the heather on fire down there. Also QR is still trying to establish itself at EDI so any ABZ flights might be some time away. I know they are looking at smaller aircraft from Airbus so maybe then but out of Scotland we already have 2x daily B777 EK out of GLA & 10x weekly approx EY/QR on B787/A330 out of EDI. Also LH packing up in ABZ isn’t a good advert for the airport. Yes physically a B787 can operate but economics I suggest isn’t there without harming AF/KLM.
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I would suggest ABZ is always one step forward and three steps back.
I've never been a fan of ABZ management, going right back to BAA days. However I'm not without sympathy for them.
It's been a constant theme for NE Scotland especially - use it, or lose it.
Not enough use it - so they lose it.
All very well asking for links here, there, everywhere but when provided if it isn't used, then they cannot moan when the link is axed. Airlines cannot make a profit transporting thin air.
Again it points to the oil industry, and the price of a barrel... & the lack of diversification, even now.
We've lost various competing domestics, plus Gdansk, Frankfurt and now Reykjavik since the start of the year - and I suspect more to follow. Plus reductions in frequencies on others. And we're not even at Brexit point yet!
I've never been a fan of ABZ management, going right back to BAA days. However I'm not without sympathy for them.
It's been a constant theme for NE Scotland especially - use it, or lose it.
Not enough use it - so they lose it.
All very well asking for links here, there, everywhere but when provided if it isn't used, then they cannot moan when the link is axed. Airlines cannot make a profit transporting thin air.
Again it points to the oil industry, and the price of a barrel... & the lack of diversification, even now.
We've lost various competing domestics, plus Gdansk, Frankfurt and now Reykjavik since the start of the year - and I suspect more to follow. Plus reductions in frequencies on others. And we're not even at Brexit point yet!
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What I have found surprising is that it has taken this long for routes to start dropping. The economy up here started to get hammered at the start of 2015 and now we are in 2018 and have only just started to see routes being cut entirely (ironic as things perhaps seem to be getting a bit better in the last 6-9 months)
MME - Loganair
KOI - Flybe
LSI - Flybe
These three I wouldn't consider of ABZ's doing, the very public handbags/willy waving we all know about has taken care of these.
WAW & KEF both only launched Mid-2016 so some'll work, some won't. (Gdansk lives on btw)
NWI has been overcapacity for a while, the days of 4-way bunfights on SVG are gone, 3x daily with Eastern has got to be more sustainable in the long run?
FRA is a disaster. Also, the lost capacity is not being filled, BA overall are a frequency down to LHR daily and KL & AF sticking with 4x & 2x daily. Perhaps if things remain stable-ish this year we will see some frequencies returning next year.
Unconfirmed, but even things aren't great with their new best mates by the looks of things
All bad news sadly though, FR have launched their W18 schedule and AGP is missing from the release. All other UK airports have AGP loaded, except ABZ & GLA (which only has DUB showing so far).
I would hesitate to say it is going seasonal yet but given the loads were really bad in Dec (and I think January will be about the same), just 70%, I'm not filled with optimism. ALC is there though. Summer performance was good so could only see it going seasonal at worst. Will have to wait for confirmation on that.
Finally, I don't think Brexit is going to have a lasting impact on UK-EU aviation, at worst a few teething problems...
2018 is going to be a bad one for ABZ, 2019 might be better
MME - Loganair
KOI - Flybe
LSI - Flybe
These three I wouldn't consider of ABZ's doing, the very public handbags/willy waving we all know about has taken care of these.
WAW & KEF both only launched Mid-2016 so some'll work, some won't. (Gdansk lives on btw)
NWI has been overcapacity for a while, the days of 4-way bunfights on SVG are gone, 3x daily with Eastern has got to be more sustainable in the long run?
FRA is a disaster. Also, the lost capacity is not being filled, BA overall are a frequency down to LHR daily and KL & AF sticking with 4x & 2x daily. Perhaps if things remain stable-ish this year we will see some frequencies returning next year.
apart from the rumblings of Norwegian is there any other likely additions (apart from FR)?
All bad news sadly though, FR have launched their W18 schedule and AGP is missing from the release. All other UK airports have AGP loaded, except ABZ & GLA (which only has DUB showing so far).
I would hesitate to say it is going seasonal yet but given the loads were really bad in Dec (and I think January will be about the same), just 70%, I'm not filled with optimism. ALC is there though. Summer performance was good so could only see it going seasonal at worst. Will have to wait for confirmation on that.
Finally, I don't think Brexit is going to have a lasting impact on UK-EU aviation, at worst a few teething problems...
2018 is going to be a bad one for ABZ, 2019 might be better
CH3CH2OH
Working for a large O&G related engineering company next year is going to be better has been the refrain for the last three years... In fact things are starting to look a little more positive in some areas than previously though 2018 still isn't going to be great. I know the numbers we have travelling are down about 40% on 3 years ago. The Iceland connection potentially offered another option over the Atlantic, didn't really work well into Houston though when compared with AF/KLM, BA and formerly LH. It will be interesting to see what effect the removal of LH has on the pricing of that route and also to Brazil where there is a bit of traffic too.
Leisure wise, this year for summer hols we will be cashing in some air miles and travelling ex ABZ to Europe via AMS, last two have been from EDI with EasyJet to destinations that the Aberdeen catchment area just can't sustain. Some holiday routes have their sweet spot and can sustain one or two rotations a week, beyond that I can't see much that could be sustainable.
Leisure wise, this year for summer hols we will be cashing in some air miles and travelling ex ABZ to Europe via AMS, last two have been from EDI with EasyJet to destinations that the Aberdeen catchment area just can't sustain. Some holiday routes have their sweet spot and can sustain one or two rotations a week, beyond that I can't see much that could be sustainable.
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Sorry Capt D, yes I meant Warsaw, rather than Gdansk.
It's painful stuff at the moment though.
I can see one of the competing Oslo's, Copenhagen maybe even Esbjerg going.
All this after a shiny terminal extension too!
5711 is also correct re catchment area, which leads me to ask - where is the market for inbound tourism as a growing market? Who is promoting the NE Scotland and can it be done any better? We've never been a tourist magnet which is a pity considering the scenery, castles, whisky trail, golf etc... or are we getting the level of tourists we deserve? Tourism is supposed to be one of the areas the region is trying to diversify into. We have an airport, not a perfect one, but an airport nevertheless. Weather could be better but... you don't holiday in Scotland for the weather- at least I don't!
It's painful stuff at the moment though.
I can see one of the competing Oslo's, Copenhagen maybe even Esbjerg going.
All this after a shiny terminal extension too!
5711 is also correct re catchment area, which leads me to ask - where is the market for inbound tourism as a growing market? Who is promoting the NE Scotland and can it be done any better? We've never been a tourist magnet which is a pity considering the scenery, castles, whisky trail, golf etc... or are we getting the level of tourists we deserve? Tourism is supposed to be one of the areas the region is trying to diversify into. We have an airport, not a perfect one, but an airport nevertheless. Weather could be better but... you don't holiday in Scotland for the weather- at least I don't!
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Eastern fares are just insanely high, and now you don't even get a free drink.
I'm sure Eastern or maybe Gill tried a Sunday service many years back and it didn't last.
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Evening Express - Ryanair scrap Aberdeen winter flights to Malaga
Yet more news to warm the cockles of one's heart!
Yet more news to warm the cockles of one's heart!