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daz211...Not accounting for economic geography.
Primera staged a large event to coincide with their transatlantic launch plans in Cambridge clearly stating the "Cambridge Corridor" is very important in their planning.
Not to mention North & East London of course.
I might also query an overall public perception of Wizz..Yes well known @ LTN for multiple flights to "Eastern Europe" but not really perhaps a huge advantage over a new entrant into a "new" created market.
If WIZZ comes to fruition they clearly regard the Primera concept as a valid business model to emulate.
Primera staged a large event to coincide with their transatlantic launch plans in Cambridge clearly stating the "Cambridge Corridor" is very important in their planning.
Not to mention North & East London of course.
I might also query an overall public perception of Wizz..Yes well known @ LTN for multiple flights to "Eastern Europe" but not really perhaps a huge advantage over a new entrant into a "new" created market.
If WIZZ comes to fruition they clearly regard the Primera concept as a valid business model to emulate.
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I have a friend who has just booked a flight on Norwegian and wanted to know who they were so for many people the price and the departure point is the only consideration.
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The plan is to feed in customers from E Europe where connections to the eastern N America are sparse and expensive. Looking at the proposed development plans, could a starter extension to both ends be added as part of the parallel works?
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If I want a flight to Toronto to visit family like most people these days I would do an internet search. If a low price was the main focus I would not give a monkeys about the name of the airline or even if I had heard of them.
I have a friend who has just booked a flight on Norwegian and wanted to know who they were so for many people the price and the departure point is the only consideration.
I have a friend who has just booked a flight on Norwegian and wanted to know who they were so for many people the price and the departure point is the only consideration.
I think the point about wizz being well known is somewhat made irrelevant by your (totally correct and very accurate) post above
If Buster is right (and transfers can be made to work), Wizz would start with a huge advantage over Primera.
Assuming, of course, the 321 (CEO or NEO) can do LTN - East Coast USA
Assuming, of course, the 321 (CEO or NEO) can do LTN - East Coast USA
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There was a plan to do just that with the new parallel taxiways joining the runway from the ends rather than the side near the end but there was money to be saved by shortening the taxiways so the plan was dropped.
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Taxiway and BHX
The prospect of a full length taxiway ever reaching the end of 08 (in the future) has now probably been made impossible, due to the fact the current digging in that area—appears to be excessive.
It is interesting to note that Norwegian has pulled out of the Spanish market to and from BHX.
It is interesting to note that Norwegian has pulled out of the Spanish market to and from BHX.
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Just to pour some water of the fire, of Wizz starting ops from Luton to the USA anytime soon, a few things need to be considered...
Wizz Air are not due to receive the A321neo's until 2019-2024, and seeing the huge demand for the A320neo family aircraft type, I doubt Wizz Air will be able to jump the delivery waiting list.
That then moves us on to their exisiting A321ceo's... The Airbus website states the maximum range of this aircraft type is 3200 miles with a "Typical Seating" of 185 seats, Great Circle Maps states the distance from Luton to New York JFK is 3447 miles.
When you factor in Wizz Air operate their A321's in some of the highest seating configuration on the market, this is going to limit the range further. Also the distance of 3447 miles distance, does not factor in the jet stream, which aircraft fly against when flying west bound and need further range to account for this.
There is a reason why we are not seeing the existing A321ceo's operated by other airlines, currently flying transatlantic. Take for example Aer Lingus currently operate the A321ceo and these are only operated in Europe. The airline chose to lease Boeing 757's from ASL to open some new markets from Dublin, to Hartford, Philadelphia, Newark and Toronto for example, as the existing A321's are not up to the job, they have however ordered A321LRneo's to replace the leased 757's in 2019.
Hopefully Wizz Air will prove me wrong and can operate the routes, but on paper it does not seem to be possible.
Just one final point, Wizz Air have ordered the A321neo which has the range to reach the north east of the USA, but if the airline is serious about flying to the USA, they should be considering the A320LR neo. Which has an even longer range and specifically marketed by Airbus as an aircraft for the transatlantic market and to replace the 757s that currently fly these longer thinner routes.
Wizz Air are not due to receive the A321neo's until 2019-2024, and seeing the huge demand for the A320neo family aircraft type, I doubt Wizz Air will be able to jump the delivery waiting list.
That then moves us on to their exisiting A321ceo's... The Airbus website states the maximum range of this aircraft type is 3200 miles with a "Typical Seating" of 185 seats, Great Circle Maps states the distance from Luton to New York JFK is 3447 miles.
When you factor in Wizz Air operate their A321's in some of the highest seating configuration on the market, this is going to limit the range further. Also the distance of 3447 miles distance, does not factor in the jet stream, which aircraft fly against when flying west bound and need further range to account for this.
There is a reason why we are not seeing the existing A321ceo's operated by other airlines, currently flying transatlantic. Take for example Aer Lingus currently operate the A321ceo and these are only operated in Europe. The airline chose to lease Boeing 757's from ASL to open some new markets from Dublin, to Hartford, Philadelphia, Newark and Toronto for example, as the existing A321's are not up to the job, they have however ordered A321LRneo's to replace the leased 757's in 2019.
Hopefully Wizz Air will prove me wrong and can operate the routes, but on paper it does not seem to be possible.
Just one final point, Wizz Air have ordered the A321neo which has the range to reach the north east of the USA, but if the airline is serious about flying to the USA, they should be considering the A320LR neo. Which has an even longer range and specifically marketed by Airbus as an aircraft for the transatlantic market and to replace the 757s that currently fly these longer thinner routes.
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So the big question would be whether Wizzair change any 321neo orders to 321LRneo, if this does occur then we will know that they are serious about this from 2019, how late they can make amendments to existing Airbus orders I don't know but would have thought that discussions might already being made.
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Wonder if any of the narrow body TA trees might be willing to try the A322LR?
As far as I am aware airbus dobt hadecorders for that aircraft - surely more seats with similar performance makes it more viable?
As far as I am aware airbus dobt hadecorders for that aircraft - surely more seats with similar performance makes it more viable?
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I phone auto correct - should have been TA triers.
Thought Airbus had announced the A322\LRneo - looked and had very similar spec to a 757.
Maybe they changed their minds.
Thought Airbus had announced the A322\LRneo - looked and had very similar spec to a 757.
Maybe they changed their minds.
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Airbus didn't change their mind.
There is no A322 it's not currently happening and it's an idea that's been banded about on forums such as this but no commitment from Airbus who are concentrating on the A320/321 NEO.
There is no A322 it's not currently happening and it's an idea that's been banded about on forums such as this but no commitment from Airbus who are concentrating on the A320/321 NEO.
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It's something you might be 'aware of' but to be honest it's confused me!
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Seems that the airport has been having a deep look INSIDE the CTA for the placement of a second terminal. The location under consideration is on the south side of the CTA. The only place available would be next to the second multistorey on the site that is earmarked for the car hire centre. A terminal here could serve the south stands via a pier but any other apron would have to be on the other side of Delta and the new Taxiway Foxtrot so would need some sort of link.
If true and this source should know, it seems a strange location as the CTA can’t cope with a single terminal let alone a second one but the new drop off zone that is going in next year and the station would be fine for both terminals.
I have another location which seems far more realistic away from the CTA but I can’t go into that plan just yet for confidentiality reasons but that plan is older than the CTA plan so might be out of date and the CTA location might be the replacement location
If true and this source should know, it seems a strange location as the CTA can’t cope with a single terminal let alone a second one but the new drop off zone that is going in next year and the station would be fine for both terminals.
I have another location which seems far more realistic away from the CTA but I can’t go into that plan just yet for confidentiality reasons but that plan is older than the CTA plan so might be out of date and the CTA location might be the replacement location
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I've said this before, but the construction of taxiway foxtrot provides a unique opportunity to allow access to the part of the field to the east of where foxtrot will be. When they construct foxtrot they should do it with a cut and cover tunnel. Once foxtrot is complete, they can then build a joining cut and cover tunnel under taxiway delta without major disruption to aircraft movements. This would create underpass access from the CTA to the eastern part of the field. This access could be used for airside passengers, an extension of the DART, airside road or landside road or combination of the above.
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Early morning rush
I’ve avoided using LTN with all the development works going on but am currently considering booking flights to Sicily. The flight leaves LTN at 07.45 on a weekday morning. I imagine that’s at the heart of the Wizz rush so can’t imagine a pleasant experience?