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Old 4th Mar 2020, 19:22
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Greggs are currently recruiting managers for an airside store, I thought all the units were occupied, anyone have any idea where it will go?
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Old 4th Mar 2020, 21:25
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Greggs were sniffing around the airport when the airport was looking for tenants for its new build as I saw a delegation up there. Haven't been terminal airside for a while but I know Dubl the champaign bar has been closed for around a year. The problem being it is in an island location so no hidden corners for the ovens. Did the last outlet opposite Chanel get occupied? With the perfume shop again on an island the retail outlet was only going to get half the passengers pass it.
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 09:20
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Greggs were sniffing around the airport when the airport was looking for tenants for its new build as I saw a delegation up there. Haven't been terminal airside for a while but I know Dubl the champaign bar has been closed for around a year. The problem being it is in an island location so no hidden corners for the ovens. Did the last outlet opposite Chanel get occupied? With the perfume shop again on an island the retail outlet was only going to get half the passengers pass it.
So as being said before, I work airside. There we talks of Oriel taking over the DUBL bar which is stagnant and is mostly used by passengers as seating at the moment. Greggs will be opening where cube is (the luggage shop) and is said to open next month but work hasn’t started. I have spoken to a number of staff members too and the amount of complaints which are made about the old departure space being out dated and cramped is incredible. The terminal is a mish mash. I do wish to see the airport improved further inside but we all know this is Luton Airport we are talking about.

I don’t know if this has been mentioned also, but I was reading master plan about T2 and they mention jetways will not be added unless airlines require. So are they expecting to keep their main low cost carriers or will we see new airlines venture out further. Demand could be there but only time will tell. As mentioned before, newer aircraft are capable of using Luton’s 7000ft runway.
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 11:54
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Don't expect a T2 to look remotely like the grand artist impressions. It will be more of the same with the same low grade finishes the airport is well known for.

With Heathrow being rejected due to the Governments commitments to the Paris Accord why would the doubling of Luton be accepted?

As stated before the council have got itself into a real mess. They thought they were being clever by putting in a planning application to themselves for a business park when the whole world and its dog knows the £124 million road is the enabler for a second terminal. With it not being included in the DCO the council has found out that the council has to fund it and not LLAL which as we all know is the council. This means interest payments on money borrowed comes out of the council budget. If the airport expansion is refused the plan B for a business park can't be justified due to the cost of the road.

The council has now put out the begging bowl to Government and the tax payer in the hope that the next budget can provide funds. If they say no, together with the Paris Accord the councils plans might well die.

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Old 7th Mar 2020, 14:51
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With the reduction in flights to Italy, and the drop in bookings more widely, there looks to be no chance of the 18m passenger cap being breached in 2020. Does anyone know when the planning application to lift the cap is being heard?
I suspect we will see more normal growth in S21. It helps that all of the remaining operators are financially sound and will withstand the likely forthcoming short recession.
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Old 7th Mar 2020, 15:20
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Two LLAOL applications that need watching. The increase from 18 to 19 million passengers and the separate application to increase the airports nighttime noise limit as LLAOL don’t want to comply with existing limits. Even when passed, the banning of summer nighttime biz jets will remain as a council compromise so they can claim they are listening to concerns.

Personal view but I don’t think Luton will be affected as badly as other airports due to the virus as Eastern European’s will want to continue to travel for work and for family reasons. Walking around the airport English is definitely a minority language but it has been for a long time but there seems to be less English travellers over the last couple of weeks.

I can walk from the drop off area to the far end of the terminal which is a 5 minute walk and I won’t hear anyone speaking English apart from staff members and many of them are not speaking English either.

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Old 8th Mar 2020, 16:40
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Originally Posted by LTNman
Two LLAOL applications that need watching. The increase from 18 to 19 million passengers and the separate application to increase the airports nighttime noise limit as LLAOL don’t want to comply with existing limits. Even when passed, the banning of summer nighttime biz jets will remain as a council compromise so they can claim they are listening to concerns.

Personal view but I don’t think Luton will be affected as badly as other airports due to the virus as Eastern European’s will want to continue to travel for work and for family reasons. Walking around the airport English is definitely a minority language but it has been for a long time but there seems to be less English travellers over the last couple of weeks.

I can walk from the drop off area to the far end of the terminal which is a 5 minute walk and I won’t hear anyone speaking English apart from staff members and many of them are not speaking English either.
That is fantastic news LTNman.
London Luton Airport is now officially an airport that attracts predominantly people from all over the World and not just locals which means it has an important place in the UK's future transport infastructer and can deliver important employment opportunities for all.





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Old 8th Mar 2020, 18:33
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Originally Posted by Lee Baker Street
That is fantastic news LTNman.
London Luton Airport is now officially an airport that attracts predominantly people from all over the World and not just locals which means it has an important place in the UK's future transport infastructer and can deliver important employment opportunities for all.
i wouldn’t say all over the world as the vast majority live in the U.K. They just don’t have English as their first language.

The employment opportunities will be there but the pay will not be great and workers will be on 24/7 contracts or worse still zero hour contracts which most people dislike.

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Originally Posted by LTNman
i wouldn’t say all over the world as the vast majority live in the U.K. They just don’t have English as their first language.

The employment opportunities will be there but the pay will not be great and workers will be on 24/7 contracts or worse still zero hour contracts which most people dislike.
LTNman, why do you keep harping on about people whose first language is not English ? It’s an airport, the idea is that people pass through it from all different countries and yes other countries speak different languages. Why is this such an issue for you ?
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The point I was making in an earlier post is that I didn’t think Luton will be affected as badly as other airports as many travellers are Eastern European’s visiting friends and family or travelling to and from work. I don’t think this sort of traffic would be as badly affected as UK based leisure and business travel where I am seeing a decrease in passengers speaking English. Saying that I can see a time when all travel will be restricted by government.

The point about English being a second language was that those passengers still mainly originate from the UK at Luton so I would not describe them as world travellers unlike airports like Heathrow and Gatwick where language and accent does indicate world travellers.

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Old 9th Mar 2020, 07:47
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Originally Posted by LTNman
The point I was making in an earlier post is that I didn’t think Luton will be affected as badly as other airports as many travellers are Eastern European’s visiting friends and family or travelling to and from work. I don’t think this sort of traffic would be as badly affected as UK based leisure and business travel where I am seeing a decrease in passengers speaking English. Saying that I can see a time when all travel will be restricted by government.

The point about English being a second language was that those passengers still mainly originate from the UK at Luton so I would not describe them as world travellers unlike airports like Heathrow and Gatwick where language and accent does indicate world travellers.
So the languages spoken at airports are generally reflective of the destinations flown to and in Lutons case that will be British and Europeans flying between Britain and Europe. Seems too obvious to be so regularly made a point of!?

I know of Britons, Southern Europeans and Eastern Europeans who are limiting their travel at the moment. I know others who are carrying on regardless for now. I'm told that media in Poland, for example, are being equally as panicked as the likes of the Daily Mail and people are reacting to that. So I'm not sure why Eastern Europeans need to be called out again as being somehow different in their approach.

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Happy to accept I am wrong and that all passengers will reduce in equal numbers. Seems then that Luton is heading for a major impact as well. Does this mean the airport will accept charter flights again if Luton cannot maintain 18 million passengers?

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Old 9th Mar 2020, 08:23
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Originally Posted by Captain_Caveman
LTNman, why do you keep harping on about people whose first language is not English ? It’s an airport, the idea is that people pass through it from all different countries and yes other countries speak different languages. Why is this such an issue for you ?
I dare say their English is better than our Polish...
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Old 9th Mar 2020, 10:49
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Originally Posted by Captain_Caveman
LTNman, why do you keep harping on about people whose first language is not English ? It’s an airport, the idea is that people pass through it from all different countries and yes other countries speak different languages. Why is this such an issue for you ?
You've misunderstood his point.
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Old 9th Mar 2020, 10:56
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The reality is there is very little English spoken within the Airport.....fact !!!!
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Plenty of Dutch, Spanish, Italian, Israeli passengers fly through Luton. I don’t understand why it’s always Eastern European passengers that are always singled out by certain people in this forum.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Caveman
Plenty of Dutch, Spanish, Italian, Israeli passengers fly through Luton. I don’t understand why it’s always Eastern European passengers that are always singled out by certain people in this forum.
Agreed. I think it is uncalled for. It's an airport for goodness sake, what do you expect?
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Old 9th Mar 2020, 14:28
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There are many people from different parts from all over the world that travel through regularly. I’ve had many Brazilians, Americans and Australians pass through, not everyday but the majority.

The virus is certainly affecting flights. Where we usually have around 1-2000 at around 4/5, we’ve not seen that many figures pass through. Talking to staff, many shops including mine are struggling to meet £1000 and targets set by companies being much higher. There is many concern for stores in the airport atm.
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I don’t understand why it’s always Eastern European passengers that are always singled out by certain people in this forum.
Perhaps it could be because the largest, or second-largest operator at Luton is the largest low-cost operator in Central and Eastern Europe.
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Exactly, passengers from Eastern Europe make up around 50% of Luton’s passengers so it is not about them being singled out it is recognition of how important they are. They are an integral part of Luton’s success and without them Luton would be a vastly different place particularly in the winter months. There would be no Dart being built, no multi story car parks, no terminal extension, no new aprons and no plans to expand the airport so don’t dismiss them. There of course would be no Wizz at Luton either who I think are now Luton’s largest airline in terms of passengers carried.
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