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Northolt should reopen on 31st October so it's 9000 movement's will be back. Interesting to see if any drop occurs at Luton, Farnborough or Oxford since alternative London entry/exit was forced upon the regular users.
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Shows the car hire centre by Parkway. Wonder if the consultants are the same group that has had an input into the design of the drop off area? It will be the drop off area that will set the capacity of the existing Terminal 1
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It also shows no jet bridges.
I don’t live in Wigmore, but if I did then I would be up in arms about, amongst other things, the parkland being moved - the video makes it sound as if something is to be added when in reality farmer’s fields appear to be reclassified as parkland while Wigmore Park is concreted over.
As for habitat area, it’s basically already there in the form of open fields and trees.
I don’t live in Wigmore, but if I did then I would be up in arms about, amongst other things, the parkland being moved - the video makes it sound as if something is to be added when in reality farmer’s fields appear to be reclassified as parkland while Wigmore Park is concreted over.
As for habitat area, it’s basically already there in the form of open fields and trees.
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Thanks for posting that day-dreaming item, Falcon666.
The first holding patten on both of these will be the next recession, due to start within the next 12/18 months.
The second patten will be the residential and green protest that will work towards parliament.
The third patten will be 10/15 years hence and could be several reasons but, by that time, they'll be too low on fuel and will have to divert elsewhere to make money.
- As Alloy says, open land is classed as open land and habitat becomes habitat. Classic PR $hite.
- The new Hire Car, Mid-term and staff parking show no access to the Dart - so is that still diesel coaches?
- The new long term shows no access to the Dart or directly to the terminals (no travalator) - so is that still diesel coaches?
- The super wide angle computer view makes it look as if there is lots of space but it will be very densely packed.
The first holding patten on both of these will be the next recession, due to start within the next 12/18 months.
The second patten will be the residential and green protest that will work towards parliament.
The third patten will be 10/15 years hence and could be several reasons but, by that time, they'll be too low on fuel and will have to divert elsewhere to make money.
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Night Movements
I see that SEN us fast running out of Night time movement slots due to new ASL Cargo services. Will the Stobart Executive Center even bother to accept Nighttime arrivals next year!?
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It is good to see that on this thread both positive and negative view points can be make without fear of condemnation and that all view points are respected although there can be disagreements. Some supporters of a Thames Estuary Airport could learn a valuable lesson here on tolerance and respect.
Back to Luton, so say terminal two is built on the toxic tip. No doubt either easyjet or Wizz would be expected to move and that the airspace above Luton will have no problems in absorbing all those extra aircraft to new destinations around the world on its 2160m runway.
The road traffic will flow with no holdups and the residential streets of Wigmore will have no issues in handling traffic to terminal 2 from the east and the A1M via a 100 metre link road that breaches the local plan that was voted through by councillors who have no scruples, no respect for the local opinions or the councils own local plan that banned such a route so to protect the area.
Back to Luton, so say terminal two is built on the toxic tip. No doubt either easyjet or Wizz would be expected to move and that the airspace above Luton will have no problems in absorbing all those extra aircraft to new destinations around the world on its 2160m runway.
The road traffic will flow with no holdups and the residential streets of Wigmore will have no issues in handling traffic to terminal 2 from the east and the A1M via a 100 metre link road that breaches the local plan that was voted through by councillors who have no scruples, no respect for the local opinions or the councils own local plan that banned such a route so to protect the area.
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[QUOTE=LTNman;10598575]It is good to see that on this thread both positive and negative view points can be make without fear of condemnation and that all view points are respected although there can be disagreements. Some supporters of a Thames Estuary Airport could learn a valuable lesson here on tolerance and respect.
Thanks LTNman- I feel relieved I can say where I would like to see the airport in a few years time without condemnation. I want its runway extended to 9000 feet and the two terminals able to handle 38 million pax a year between them. Equally I would like to see an increase in freight traffic with a minimum 8 dedicated stands. In my view the airport was held back denying thousands of job creations over the last several decades!
Thanks LTNman- I feel relieved I can say where I would like to see the airport in a few years time without condemnation. I want its runway extended to 9000 feet and the two terminals able to handle 38 million pax a year between them. Equally I would like to see an increase in freight traffic with a minimum 8 dedicated stands. In my view the airport was held back denying thousands of job creations over the last several decades!
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Those that promote new jobs for other people to do working in an expanded Luton usually would not be prepared to do the work themselves. An expanded Luton would not be creating many highly paid jobs but low wage terminal, apron and car parking jobs where staff would be expected to cover 24/7 work pattens including weekends and bank holidays. The lucky ones would be offered full time contracts on low pay but too many jobs at the airport are part time or zero hour contracts as new tenders are won by lowering costs. A visit to an airport job fair is a real eye opener about how bad Luton has become as companies now try to avoid making national insurance contributions and offer no holiday pay due to zero hour contracts.
My son has recent first hand experience of airport work with start times of 4 in the morning or working through the night on shift pattens that meant his body could never adjust. He was guaranteed 18 hours a week work but would always work various hours but income was never predictable. His company employed an outside agency to permanently find new staff to replace those that would leave every week.
He looked around the airport for other work but it was more of the same. Eventually he broke free and now works away from from the airport in a job where he is now home for tea.
As for me now that’s another story but not for here.
Oh a 38 million Luton as wanted by LBS. Why are you thinking so small? Why not a 100 million of 200 million Luton? Respect your views though.
My son has recent first hand experience of airport work with start times of 4 in the morning or working through the night on shift pattens that meant his body could never adjust. He was guaranteed 18 hours a week work but would always work various hours but income was never predictable. His company employed an outside agency to permanently find new staff to replace those that would leave every week.
He looked around the airport for other work but it was more of the same. Eventually he broke free and now works away from from the airport in a job where he is now home for tea.
As for me now that’s another story but not for here.
Oh a 38 million Luton as wanted by LBS. Why are you thinking so small? Why not a 100 million of 200 million Luton? Respect your views though.
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LTNman -
Regrettably, your description of insecure employment in poorly-paid jobs is endemic in the whole economy. At least having a centre of employment nearby means that those people who rely on such jobs have the opportunity to feed their families.
I am with LBS on this - I would like to see Luton able to expand both in terminal capacity and runway length. It is well-situated to serve a huge population, and its value to the ratepayers of Luton is enormous. With this growth would need to come surface access improvements on a large scale, and I hope we have a Government soon that is prepared to invest comprehensively in the road and rail networks.
Just my two penn'orth...
Regrettably, your description of insecure employment in poorly-paid jobs is endemic in the whole economy. At least having a centre of employment nearby means that those people who rely on such jobs have the opportunity to feed their families.
I am with LBS on this - I would like to see Luton able to expand both in terminal capacity and runway length. It is well-situated to serve a huge population, and its value to the ratepayers of Luton is enormous. With this growth would need to come surface access improvements on a large scale, and I hope we have a Government soon that is prepared to invest comprehensively in the road and rail networks.
Just my two penn'orth...
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How ever much have LBC borrowed and committed to this madness? Goodness only knows the interest payments alone.
Build on a toxic tip that close to residents
I heard that back in the 1950's that the tip was a deep hole, how deep the foundations will need to piled and the noise that will create in Stopsley and Wigmore! Just don't strike a match when they start digging, maybe LBC can sell the methane 
Build on a toxic tip that close to residents
I heard that back in the 1950's that the tip was a deep hole, how deep the foundations will need to piled and the noise that will create in Stopsley and Wigmore! Just don't strike a match when they start digging, maybe LBC can sell the methane
A moan for a Monday morning. Swissport and Luton Airport need to get a grip.
Last six weeks getting early morning flights out of LTN - the last two weeks, getting more and more into the supposed quiet season, it has taken longer and longer to get a bag checked in and get through security. Last week 45 minutes; this week closer to 1 hour... it’s not good enough for an airport aspiring for many more passengers.
On the expansion point, a left field suggestion that I don’t think has come up - why not mothball the current terminal and put all passengers under one roof? Surely the current setup isn’t the most efficient?
Last six weeks getting early morning flights out of LTN - the last two weeks, getting more and more into the supposed quiet season, it has taken longer and longer to get a bag checked in and get through security. Last week 45 minutes; this week closer to 1 hour... it’s not good enough for an airport aspiring for many more passengers.
On the expansion point, a left field suggestion that I don’t think has come up - why not mothball the current terminal and put all passengers under one roof? Surely the current setup isn’t the most efficient?