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compton3bravo, Ryanair still has 1 new route opening late summer and Wizzair has 5 new routes starting late summer and will be increasing frequencies on current routes. This will explain the increase in movements.
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Many thanks Lee. I'm afraid the twice weekly Ryanair to Seville passed me by. Early morning departure so some juggling around with departures for other routes and/or reduced frequencies.
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When a BA 777 took the England football team to the 2002 World Cup it took 90,000kgs of fuel, close to its maximum fuel load, albeit with only 125 passengers on board. It went for an intersection departure from Alpha 1 and rotated before the fire station.
Thank you cj for your answer, did see one the other day on FR24 but wasn't quite sure that the graphices were telling the true story bearing in mind that the Google map does not show Twy B to 08 intersection.
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Ryanair joins Wizz and Easy to the party at Krakow and routes cut to the Canaries...
Its a shame to see Ryanair cutting back on the Canary Island flights this winter...
Ryanair will be stopping there twice weekly services to Fuerteventura and Gran Canaria at the end of October.
Lanzarote remains, but cut from twice weekly to once a week and Tenerife remains with the twice weekly service.
While the airline did not offer an amazing schedule to the islands, at least it gave a link to the Canaries, which the airport has lacked for a number of years considering the number of flights from other UK airports and provided an alternative after Monarch departed.
easyJet provide a limited schedule to Lanzarote and Tenerife too, but not to the islands Ryanair are dropping. WIll be interesting to see if they maybe pick them up at a later date? Also weird Ryanair would drop flights to the Canary Islands at the start of the Winter schedule, when they are some of the most popular Winter sun destinations.
Also while on the subject of Ryanair, by jaw nearly dropped when I noticed they are starting flights to Krakow from November, operating four flights a week. So this now means Wizz, easyJet and Ryanair are flighting over this market, when eighteen months ago, not a single airline was operating this route! Surely Ryanair could make better choices on how to deploy that 737-800 from the airport?
Apologies if any of this has been discussed before.
Ryanair will be stopping there twice weekly services to Fuerteventura and Gran Canaria at the end of October.
Lanzarote remains, but cut from twice weekly to once a week and Tenerife remains with the twice weekly service.
While the airline did not offer an amazing schedule to the islands, at least it gave a link to the Canaries, which the airport has lacked for a number of years considering the number of flights from other UK airports and provided an alternative after Monarch departed.
easyJet provide a limited schedule to Lanzarote and Tenerife too, but not to the islands Ryanair are dropping. WIll be interesting to see if they maybe pick them up at a later date? Also weird Ryanair would drop flights to the Canary Islands at the start of the Winter schedule, when they are some of the most popular Winter sun destinations.
Also while on the subject of Ryanair, by jaw nearly dropped when I noticed they are starting flights to Krakow from November, operating four flights a week. So this now means Wizz, easyJet and Ryanair are flighting over this market, when eighteen months ago, not a single airline was operating this route! Surely Ryanair could make better choices on how to deploy that 737-800 from the airport?
Apologies if any of this has been discussed before.
London-Fuerteventura is served by the following:
LGW - Easyjet, Thomas Cook, Tui
STN - Jet2, Ryanair
London-Las Palmas / Gran Canaria is served by the following:
LGW - BA, Easyjet, Norwegian, Thomas Cook, Tui
STN - Jet2, Ryanair, Tui
LTN - Tui (occasionally in winter)
CAA stats indicate that Tenerife-South and Lanzarote were by far the 2 busiest routes from London to the Canaries in 2018
What can Ryanair bring to the market in winter between Luton and FUE or LPA ? The flight takes at least 4 hours and the more profitable customers (i.e. those with a suitcase in the hold) will travel for a week - and thus are probably more willing to use Stansted or Gatwick if price has a big difference. Ryanair have ended their packaged holiday service, and these 2 islands already have plenty of competitors to/from London. Can Ryanair really make decent profits from Luton to these 2 islands ?
LGW - Easyjet, Thomas Cook, Tui
STN - Jet2, Ryanair
London-Las Palmas / Gran Canaria is served by the following:
LGW - BA, Easyjet, Norwegian, Thomas Cook, Tui
STN - Jet2, Ryanair, Tui
LTN - Tui (occasionally in winter)
CAA stats indicate that Tenerife-South and Lanzarote were by far the 2 busiest routes from London to the Canaries in 2018
What can Ryanair bring to the market in winter between Luton and FUE or LPA ? The flight takes at least 4 hours and the more profitable customers (i.e. those with a suitcase in the hold) will travel for a week - and thus are probably more willing to use Stansted or Gatwick if price has a big difference. Ryanair have ended their packaged holiday service, and these 2 islands already have plenty of competitors to/from London. Can Ryanair really make decent profits from Luton to these 2 islands ?
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Las Palmas summarises Luton’s gradual continuing decline in what many would consider to be a traditional holiday destination. 8 airlines do battle at STN and LGW while not a single airline can see an opportunity to make money from LTN despite having the route to themselves.
Fuerteventura has 5 airlines doing battle from both airports but no airline considers Luton to be viable.
With TUI now operating with mainly just a single aircraft clearly holidaymakers have had enough of LTN as the airport relies more and more on Eastern European passengers as a percentage of total passengers. With the council planning a second terminal neither the council, LLAL or the airport operator have a strategy for hanging on to traditional Luton passengers or creating new markets.
Fuerteventura has 5 airlines doing battle from both airports but no airline considers Luton to be viable.
With TUI now operating with mainly just a single aircraft clearly holidaymakers have had enough of LTN as the airport relies more and more on Eastern European passengers as a percentage of total passengers. With the council planning a second terminal neither the council, LLAL or the airport operator have a strategy for hanging on to traditional Luton passengers or creating new markets.
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Its a shame to see Ryanair cutting back on the Canary Island flights this winter...
Ryanair will be stopping there twice weekly services to Fuerteventura and Gran Canaria at the end of October.
Lanzarote remains, but cut from twice weekly to once a week and Tenerife remains with the twice weekly service.
While the airline did not offer an amazing schedule to the islands, at least it gave a link to the Canaries, which the airport has lacked for a number of years considering the number of flights from other UK airports and provided an alternative after Monarch departed.
easyJet provide a limited schedule to Lanzarote and Tenerife too, but not to the islands Ryanair are dropping. WIll be interesting to see if they maybe pick them up at a later date? Also weird Ryanair would drop flights to the Canary Islands at the start of the Winter schedule, when they are some of the most popular Winter sun destinations.
Also while on the subject of Ryanair, by jaw nearly dropped when I noticed they are starting flights to Krakow from November, operating four flights a week. So this now means Wizz, easyJet and Ryanair are flighting over this market, when eighteen months ago, not a single airline was operating this route! Surely Ryanair could make better choices on how to deploy that 737-800 from the airport?
Apologies if any of this has been discussed before.
Ryanair will be stopping there twice weekly services to Fuerteventura and Gran Canaria at the end of October.
Lanzarote remains, but cut from twice weekly to once a week and Tenerife remains with the twice weekly service.
While the airline did not offer an amazing schedule to the islands, at least it gave a link to the Canaries, which the airport has lacked for a number of years considering the number of flights from other UK airports and provided an alternative after Monarch departed.
easyJet provide a limited schedule to Lanzarote and Tenerife too, but not to the islands Ryanair are dropping. WIll be interesting to see if they maybe pick them up at a later date? Also weird Ryanair would drop flights to the Canary Islands at the start of the Winter schedule, when they are some of the most popular Winter sun destinations.
Also while on the subject of Ryanair, by jaw nearly dropped when I noticed they are starting flights to Krakow from November, operating four flights a week. So this now means Wizz, easyJet and Ryanair are flighting over this market, when eighteen months ago, not a single airline was operating this route! Surely Ryanair could make better choices on how to deploy that 737-800 from the airport?
Apologies if any of this has been discussed before.
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Not really, as clear cut as that... As there are a number of cut backs this winter, Girona doesn't operate during the winter months.
Athens, Malta, Marrakech and Murcia for example all see there schedules reduced to match the slower winter demand.
If you go to the Ryanair booking page and select a destination, and scroll through the monthly calender view, you'll see how the frequencies change from October to Novembe, when the winter schedule kicks in.
I think a few of Ryanair's flights into LTN are usually operated by aircraft from other bases (especially some of south European destinations), and quite often during the winter months these bases shut down for winter or see reduced aircraft based there. It is therefore likely, these flights might be using the LTN based aircraft in lieu, and hence why reduced schedules to other destinations are required.
Athens, Malta, Marrakech and Murcia for example all see there schedules reduced to match the slower winter demand.
If you go to the Ryanair booking page and select a destination, and scroll through the monthly calender view, you'll see how the frequencies change from October to Novembe, when the winter schedule kicks in.
I think a few of Ryanair's flights into LTN are usually operated by aircraft from other bases (especially some of south European destinations), and quite often during the winter months these bases shut down for winter or see reduced aircraft based there. It is therefore likely, these flights might be using the LTN based aircraft in lieu, and hence why reduced schedules to other destinations are required.
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Construction update
Work on Parkway interchange continues with first of two beams being lifted into position where the track will enter the station
The covers are back off the gateway bridge after the sections were welded together. Trusses are being laid either side to support the framework of wood that the concrete trackbed will be poured into. This is going to end up being a mighty weight that will have to be lifted and transported down the hill.
The temporary Taxiway Bravo route is just waiting for its final layer of tarmac. The taxiway sits over the DART tunnel.
Meanwhile just inside the CTA trusses are being put in to support the pouring of the tunnel roof.
MS1 is being clad. The first multi story to be completed is called MS2
At the other end the cores are also being clad but in a lighter shade of grey.
The covers are back off the gateway bridge after the sections were welded together. Trusses are being laid either side to support the framework of wood that the concrete trackbed will be poured into. This is going to end up being a mighty weight that will have to be lifted and transported down the hill.
The temporary Taxiway Bravo route is just waiting for its final layer of tarmac. The taxiway sits over the DART tunnel.
Meanwhile just inside the CTA trusses are being put in to support the pouring of the tunnel roof.
MS1 is being clad. The first multi story to be completed is called MS2
At the other end the cores are also being clad but in a lighter shade of grey.
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Work on Parkway interchange continues with first of two beams being lifted into position where the track will enter the station
The covers are back off the gateway bridge after the sections were welded together. Trusses are being laid either side to support the framework of wood that the concrete trackbed will be poured into. This is going to end up being a mighty weight that will have to be lifted and transported down the hill.
The temporary Taxiway Bravo route is just waiting for its final layer of tarmac. The taxiway sits over the DART tunnel.
Meanwhile just inside the CTA trusses are being put in to support the pouring of the tunnel roof.
MS1 is being clad. The first multi story to be completed is called MS2
At the other end the cores are also being clad but in a lighter shade of grey.
The covers are back off the gateway bridge after the sections were welded together. Trusses are being laid either side to support the framework of wood that the concrete trackbed will be poured into. This is going to end up being a mighty weight that will have to be lifted and transported down the hill.
The temporary Taxiway Bravo route is just waiting for its final layer of tarmac. The taxiway sits over the DART tunnel.
Meanwhile just inside the CTA trusses are being put in to support the pouring of the tunnel roof.
MS1 is being clad. The first multi story to be completed is called MS2
At the other end the cores are also being clad but in a lighter shade of grey.
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Done STN for years (think it was a Go route orginally) and LGW double daily so they must know there is demand. Probably looking to more through Easyjet Holidays with this one.
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While Wizz are becoming more well known in the UK, they still do not have the presence to themselves like Ryanair and easyJet. I think many potential travellers will go to Ryanair or easyJet's website, to check a route before looking at Wizz and I think this is the area where easyJet can feel more confident and compete directly with Wizz Air, especially on routes which are largely filed by UK tourists.
easyJet are competing with Wizz on a fair few number routes now, Thessaloniki, Oporto, Lisbon, Krakow, Tel Aviv, Reykjavik, Split and Grenoble all spring to mind.
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Interesting move...
While Wizz are becoming more well known in the UK, they still do not have the presence to themselves like Ryanair and easyJet. I think many potential travellers will go to Ryanair or easyJet's website, to check a route before looking at Wizz and I think this is the area where easyJet can feel more confident and compete directly with Wizz Air, especially on routes which are largely filed by UK tourists.
easyJet are competing with Wizz on a fair few number routes now, Thessaloniki, Oporto, Lisbon, Krakow, Tel Aviv, Reykjavik, Split and Grenoble all spring to mind.
While Wizz are becoming more well known in the UK, they still do not have the presence to themselves like Ryanair and easyJet. I think many potential travellers will go to Ryanair or easyJet's website, to check a route before looking at Wizz and I think this is the area where easyJet can feel more confident and compete directly with Wizz Air, especially on routes which are largely filed by UK tourists.
easyJet are competing with Wizz on a fair few number routes now, Thessaloniki, Oporto, Lisbon, Krakow, Tel Aviv, Reykjavik, Split and Grenoble all spring to mind.
