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Old 31st May 2018, 21:13
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Really one for nostalgia perhaps but can anyone tell me how the site came to be used for landfill - was it a natural or artificial (gravel extraction etc.) hole in the ground. When did it cease to be used. I think I remember it being active during my early airport visits ( 67/68).
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Old 31st May 2018, 23:02
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Just a bit of a dip in the ground I believe. Nothing on old maps to suggest it had a former life. Think it closed in the late 70’s. Some of the bore holes will be 65m deep although I don’t think the tip goes down that far.
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Old 1st Jun 2018, 05:21
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Originally Posted by Lee Baker Street
LTNman, I cannot foresee the South of the airfield being used for terminal passenger usage. Private jets and maintenance yes. Hence why I believe you are wrong. In your own words the official plans have not been disclosed yet, well certainly not into the public domain. You appear to know more than anyone else and I still remember you putting me down when I said LTN will be and remain the UK’s 5th airport. You scoffed at me. Well looks like I was right all those years ago! Maybe I might be right with regards to the eastern side of the airfield being it’s future after all many of you in here state Hertfordshire will not allow their land to be used in the airports growth.
I heard what you said but was told at the time by a senior planning officer that aprons and council tips don’t mix as there would be movement but buildings would not be a problem. Constructor says the issue can be overcome so I have no idea whether I was deliberately mislead or he was ill informed but construction costs would properly be higher which would be another factor also land to the north is again restricted in size due to existing housing




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Old 1st Jun 2018, 07:28
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To illustrate my statement google 'Madiera Airport Runway Extention. When you see the pictures substitute landfill for fresh air.
I have worked on several projects involving Landfill.
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Old 1st Jun 2018, 07:42
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8th and final (for now?) based Wizzair aircraft now operating from Luton.
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Old 1st Jun 2018, 21:37
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I hear that the Luton runway is 'closed' from 06:00 to 07:00 local from June 2nd until September 30th 2018.
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Old 1st Jun 2018, 22:20
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Not closed but a zero inbound flow rate. Departures are not affected, not sure why, maybe it is so departures are not impeded by landing traffic so stopping Wizz turning up early but will again have a knock on issue for biz jets
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Old 1st Jun 2018, 22:23
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Originally Posted by nohold
I hear that the Luton runway is 'closed' from 06:00 to 07:00 local from June 2nd until September 30th 2018.
Only for inbound flights.

A0917/18 NOTAMN
Q) EGTT/QFALT/IV/NBO/A /000/999/5152N00022W005
A) EGGW B) 1806010500 C) 1809010600
D) 0500-0600
E) ZERO INBOUND FLOW RATE APPLIED
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Old 1st Jun 2018, 22:36
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Thanks chaps!
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Old 2nd Jun 2018, 06:59
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Originally Posted by LTNman
Not closed but a zero inbound flow rate. Departures are not affected, not sure why, maybe it is so departures are not impeded by landing traffic so stopping Wizz turning up early but will again have a knock on issue for biz jets
I have had another think about this. The restriction is more to do with the early shoulder period noise restriction which is between 06:00 and 07:00 as there is a limit of 7,000 movements per year or 19.2 per day for that hour.
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Old 2nd Jun 2018, 07:38
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Construction update

The first entrance to open of the terminal extension has been closed to allow the canopy and a staircase to be added. Walk to the left of the wall to use the stairs or to the right of the wall to use the slope.


Luton's state of the art signature canopy made from stretched canvas.


Work carries on with the removal of the walkway to what was the short term car park that was open for just over a year.


If anyone needs a demonstration of the decline of business jets at Luton here are some sobering photos. Not only was the pond empty of any biz jets due to Signature losing control of that apron to the airport but only 2 biz jets were parked in the NW corner and on the apron by the former flying club there were just 3 aircraft parked. Harrods seemed half empty as well no doubt due to the rumoured increase in handling charges by both FBO's to maybe compensate for the loss of business.

The pond



South stands



NW corner


Total bizjets today parked on these 3 aprons were just 2 aircraft.
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Old 2nd Jun 2018, 08:28
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Originally Posted by dvc
Only for inbound flights.

A0917/18 NOTAMN
Q) EGTT/QFALT/IV/NBO/A /000/999/5152N00022W005
A) EGGW B) 1806010500 C) 1809010600
D) 0500-0600
E) ZERO INBOUND FLOW RATE APPLIED
When this restriction was announced in March there was another saying "No 'non-emergency' diverted flights will be accepted 0600-2159 1st June-30th September" (see link provided on post #898). That isn't currently shown by NOTAM so I wondered if that is actually being applied.
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Old 2nd Jun 2018, 12:50
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Originally Posted by Expressflight
When this restriction was announced in March there was another saying "No 'non-emergency' diverted flights will be accepted 0600-2159 1st June-30th September" (see link provided on post #898). That isn't currently shown by NOTAM so I wondered if that is actually being applied.
I was told overnight parking will be available on taxiway extension past fire station so that might cover such if run up bay full as well, as it sometimes is!
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Old 2nd Jun 2018, 14:23
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The black part of the wall denotes the level of the surface so they must be raising the level by some bit to make the slope up to the terminal.
And i assume there will be some sort of barrier on top of the wall
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Old 3rd Jun 2018, 06:43
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It will be interesting to see if the biz movements pick up in the middle of June what with the start of the World Cup, Ascot and Wimbledon towards the end of the month. Also there will have to be some serious head scratching at all the south east airport's regarding the Euros in 2020 with Wembley hosting matches on the 14, 19 and 23 June. Last 16 game on the 27 June, two semi-finals on 7 and 8 July and the final on 12 July with of course Ascot and Wimbledon also been staged. Forward planning?

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Old 3rd Jun 2018, 07:21
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Those with long memories will remember Luton when it had a selection of light aircraft based at the airport by the flying club and when Fields of Heathrow handled business jets.

The signs are there that Luton has passed its peak and will be on a slow decline just like the airports light aircraft were until one day they were no more.

Basically Luton is now a no go area for biz jets from midnight until 07:00 and even after that time I doubt they would find many slots until after the morning rush.
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Old 5th Jun 2018, 05:52
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Zero inbound flow rate.

So has something changed?

The first Wizz arrival this morning was in at 6.48 and the NOTAM appears to have disappeared.

Ironically yesterday the first wave of departures seemed to get away more efficiently with minimal delays as a result of the later arriving Wizz a/c
Maybe having the zero inbound flow rate wasn't such a bad thing?
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Old 5th Jun 2018, 09:04
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The first wave of Wizz arrivals has reduced slightly, from around 14/16 to 12/14, now that they have aircraft night-stopping. There are seven or eight Wizz night-stoppers, but some depart after 0830.
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Old 5th Jun 2018, 10:35
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The NOTAM has indeed disappeared. Still the average 19.2 movements per day between 06:00- to 07:00 will remain. Was the overnight restrictions ever NOTAMed? Maybe that type of restriction wouldn't be the subject of a NOTAM?
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Old 5th Jun 2018, 13:07
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Grrr

Blimey! Rumours that the multi storey needs to be demolished! Can't be true, can it?
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