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Old 16th Nov 2020, 21:20
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The airport will be hemorrhaging cash at an incredible rate. I hope the owner of the airport has deep pockets, or it's tax payers do!
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Old 17th Nov 2020, 07:04
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Buster there is one tiny caveat more or less everybody is in the same perilous position. Just to add to the paltry passenger numbers for this month, two TUI Boeing 737 charters f/t Istanbul and a German Airways E190 f/t Istanbul all connected with Formula 1. Plus a German Airways E190 from Copenhagen with the Icelandic Football team.
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Old 17th Nov 2020, 07:15
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6 inbound and 6 outbound today.....wow !!!!
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Old 17th Nov 2020, 09:09
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Originally Posted by ericlday
6 inbound and 6 outbound today.....wow !!!!
This is countrywide, all UK airports are in dire financial straights. Cant see politicians at a National or local level will actually allow an airport to go under though, guess it just depends how much cash they can afford to keep throwing at it. Even if this so called super vaccine works, we are still looking at a minimum 6 months before any real increase in travel is likely and sadly I think the big boys like LHR and MAN will be first in the queue
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Old 17th Nov 2020, 11:26
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EL-AL applied for 10 additional weekly summer slots and didn't get a single one. If any new airline wanted to come to Luton in the summer they will be turned away as only DHL were successful.

Also despite the lockdown Luton Covid 19 cases have increased by 1071 to 2067 in just a week. Lockdown what lockdown as something is going wrong. It is going to be a bleak Christmas for the airport I would imagine if this is the national trend.

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Old 17th Nov 2020, 15:00
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EL-AL applied for 10 additional weekly summer slots and didn't get a single one. If any new airline wanted to come to Luton in the summer they will be turned away as only DHL were successful.
This seems very strange unless WZZ and EZY are planning a return to their 2019 programmes for 2021. I can't help wondering if they are "planning" to do that in order to keep competitors out (for example, both fly to TLV and would be affected by the El Al application).

Also despite the lockdown Luton Covid 19 cases have increased by 1071 to 2067 in just a week. Lockdown what lockdown as something is going wrong. It is going to be a bleak Christmas for the airport I would imagine if this is the national trend.
Case numbers have increased nationally since the current lockdown started. I think that's because there is a lag between lockdown starting and its effects coming through in terms of number of infections.
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Old 17th Nov 2020, 17:48
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Originally Posted by LTNman
EL-AL applied for 10 additional weekly summer slots and didn't get a single one. If any new airline wanted to come to Luton in the summer they will be turned away as only DHL were successful.
Is this in addition to the strange lease of slots to WZZ in S20 whilst planning to startup STN ops again?
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Old 17th Nov 2020, 18:04
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Ryanair, Wizz and Easyjet all applied for extra summer 2021 slots and all were refused. Maybe the applications were to block rivals who didn’t succeed anyway.
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Old 17th Nov 2020, 21:50
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LTNman, where are you getting your Covid figures for Luton from?
That is coming out at 142 per day and l know the figures for Luton are bad, but l have not seen any day where it has reached 140.
The UK Gov Covid web site shows 646 cases for the last 7 days provided on the 17th Nov.
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Old 18th Nov 2020, 04:35
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There are just 3 departures today, which are all Wizz

LTNman, where are you getting your Covid figures for Luton from?
I am taking part in a study where just under 4.5m people enter their heath status everyday and confirm whether they have been tested and what the result was. Anyone showing symptoms is asked detailed questions followed by more detailed sub questions. Everyone should join to increase the daily database but it is already considered to be highly accurate and in near real time. Just follow the link.

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Old 18th Nov 2020, 07:58
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LTNman, thank you for your explanation, but you should have stated that they were estimated figures and not accurate official figures.
Which ever way that you look at it, we do have a problem in some areas of Luton.
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Old 19th Nov 2020, 10:42
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In a statement in the face of large opposition to expansion of the airport Luton Council has said any proposal/development to 19m pa will require a Development Consent Order which will be determined by The Secretary of State _it will not be decided by Luton Borough Council.

Bim is still on the case...
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Old 19th Nov 2020, 11:00
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The 19m application will be decided by the Council because it can be. It will be approved by the Council because they own the airport. The application has been merged with the application to increase aircraft noise above legally agreed limits, which were breached in previous year until they got caught out, because they can. The application is being fronted by the airport concessionaire London Luton Airport Operations ltd who are the Council’s stooges.

The DCO to government is being put forward by the airport owner LLAL, which is 100% owned by the council. All three are as thick as thieves and in my opinion inherently dishonest.
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Nope...not what I read.
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Old 19th Nov 2020, 11:22
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I would suggest that what you have read is wrong. The council don’t care about widespread opposition, as they have form in voting any and every application through that is airport related.

A few months ago Bim, who is a MP, said the expansion application to 32m had been dropped. He was soon educated, as it was just a freeze on current spending plans like for a new apron. Maybe he needs further educating if the suggestion came from him?
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Old 19th Nov 2020, 11:41
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As I said the three stooges are fundamentally dishonest. The report is about 19m but the Council spokesman refers to the 32m application to muddy the water and to deflect the complaints. There is no DCO for 19m.

https://www.hertsad.co.uk/news/luton...sion-1-6936186

A spokesperson from Luton Borough Council said in response to statements by those who oppose the expansion: “The council’s airport company, London Luton Airport Limited, has recently consulted on future expansion plans for which a development consent order will be required. Whether or not to approve that order will be determined by the secretary of state on the recommendation of the planning inspectorate. It will not be decided by Luton Borough Council.”

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Old 19th Nov 2020, 11:48
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Larger an noisier A321NEO planes, when compared to what, A320CEOs they are replacing?
Bet joe public is itching to get out for a jolly to Benidorm & Ibiza asap but I buy Tesco Vegan sausages so I'm doing my bit!
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Old 19th Nov 2020, 12:10
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The argument being put forward is that the A321NEO being heavier produces more noise than existing Luton aircraft. Those putting forward the claims actually know their subject. Watching A321Neo’s taking off from my front garden last year they are certainly no quieter than the departures either side of them but it is hard to tell if they are noisier. It should be noted though that the application for 19m includes increasing the airports noise footprint.
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Old 19th Nov 2020, 17:29
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I can't keep up with these opposition groups. They criticise the council for giving themselves planning permission and suggest a conflict of interest, but now they say the current planning rules were 'democratically agreed'. Surely it can't be both?

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Old 19th Nov 2020, 17:41
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Airbus NEO engines produce a distinctive noise on spool-up for take-off (and start-up). Overall, the engines are quieter than the previous generation but the new noises are noticeable!
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