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Old 25th Oct 2020, 12:23
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Originally Posted by boeing_eng View Post
Without being fully in the know, its impossible to predict what TUI's intentions are when it comes to LTN. Bear in mind that LTN was the only UK TUI base which did not re-start flying in July and pre-Covid only 1 x 737-800 was due to based at LTN this Summer anyway!

Ironically, the first TUI passenger flight since the March shutdown departed this morning with G-FDZD operating to ACE
Not true, flights didnít restart from EDI, ABZ, NWI or BFS. Albeit, the latter three are normally only summer bases but ABZ and NWI do have occasional flights in winter, not too many fewer than LTN which has hardly even been a base in winter in recent years.
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Old 25th Oct 2020, 13:47
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Wizz

If Wizz get the big expansion they want at Gatwick, could that risk the Luton operation scaling back a bit?

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Old 25th Oct 2020, 13:56
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Not true, flights didn’t restart from EDI, ABZ, NWI or BFS. Albeit, the latter three are normally only summer bases but ABZ and NWI do have occasional flights in winter, not too many fewer than LTN which has hardly even been a base in winter in recent years.

To clarify, LTN was the only year round fully crewed UK base that did not re-start in July.......EDI, ABZ, NWI and BFS are all normally operated by seconded Sunwing aircraft in the Summer (but with Covid this clearly was not going to happen anyway!)

Management are denying a full base closure is on the cards but in reality anything is possible! The decline in TUI ops at LTN seemed to coincide with reports of many passengers complaining about the poor terminal experience a few years back when there was also huge queues of cars trying to access the drop off area. Since then, TUI have constantly increased the number of holidays using EZY from LTN (which seems now to be the preferred option)
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Old 25th Oct 2020, 14:02
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Originally Posted by boeing_eng View Post
Not true, flights didnít restart from EDI, ABZ, NWI or BFS. Albeit, the latter three are normally only summer bases but ABZ and NWI do have occasional flights in winter, not too many fewer than LTN which has hardly even been a base in winter in recent years.

To clarify, LTN was the only year round fully crewed UK base that did not re-start in July.......EDI, ABZ, NWI and BFS are all normally operated by seconded Sunwing aircraft in the Summer (but with Covid this clearly was not going to happen anyway!)

The decline in TUI ops at LTN seemed to coincide with reports of many passengers complaining about the poor terminal experience a few years back when there was also huge queues of cars trying to access the drop off area. Since then, TUI have constantly increased the number of holidays using EZY from LTN (which seems now to be the preferred option)
EDI is normally a fully-crewed year-round base with a based TUI (not Sunwing) aircraft and often has more weekly flights in winter than LTN, with a similar amount in summer. And yes, as I mentioned, the other three are summer-only bases which usually use Sunwing aircraft (ABZ has had TUI in the past). But yes, as you say the LTN base has certainly shrunk significantly over the last few years, although it is still TUIís official HQ.
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Old 25th Oct 2020, 14:03
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Originally Posted by wallp View Post
If Wizz get the big expansion they want at Gatwick, could that risk the Luton operation scaling back a bit?

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...Do11VjCD7Sd31g
Can see some of the old 4x daily routes being scaled back but that would free up aircraft & slots for other opportunities.
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Old 25th Oct 2020, 14:30
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Ironically, the first TUI passenger flight since the March shutdown departed this morning with G-FDZD operating to ACE
When is the next Tui departure from Luton, next Sunday?
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Old 25th Oct 2020, 15:00
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When is the next Tui departure from Luton, next Sunday?

Its impossible to be 100% sure as things are constantly changing with flights being amalgamated etc....It seems November should have a weekly TFS flight on Fridays but a lot will depend on demand and obviously the Canaries staying off the quarantine list.

ROC10 - your obsessional interest with TUI never fails to impress but I think its safe to say that LTN is now not a priority base and the fact that it remains the HQ clearly makes no difference!
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Old 25th Oct 2020, 16:20
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As above WZZ now increase to 11 routes ex LGW.
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Old 25th Oct 2020, 16:59
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Originally Posted by pabely View Post
Can see some of the old 4x daily routes being scaled back but that would free up aircraft & slots for other opportunities.
With Luton lucky to handle 6 million passengers this year and the Council already agreeing to bail out the airport next year I donít see there being a long queue.
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Old 25th Oct 2020, 18:39
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Wizzair might suprise you, publicly stated that this crisis is an opportunity, even if they scoop up some more slots at LGW they would not give up their #1 position at LUT, their most profitable base and routes.
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Old 25th Oct 2020, 21:48
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Shhh, no one is meant to know this so you didn’t hear this from me but the Dart, which was meant to open in the spring of 2021, that became the summer of 2021 and is now just 2021, should now open in around a year’s time, give or take a month.
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Old 26th Oct 2020, 11:26
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
Shhh, no one is meant to know this so you didnít hear this from me but the Dart, which was meant to open in the spring of 2021, that became the summer of 2021 and is now just 2021, should now open in around a yearís time, give or take a month.
Thanks for the update but are you correct? Lets rewind a few years when I said the airport was going to expand east and you implied I was wrong. Well I have another prediction but SHHH you never heard it from me: 01 10 00 01 11 11 01 11 !
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Old 26th Oct 2020, 13:29
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Originally Posted by Lee Baker Street View Post
Thanks for the update but are you correct? Lets rewind a few years when I said the airport was going to expand east and you implied I was wrong. Well I have another prediction but SHHH you never heard it from me: 01 10 00 01 11 11 01 11 !
Make a note in your diary of that Dart delay post then so you can savage me next summer while quoting my post.

Also I think you will find I said that LLAL would not build aprons on Wigmore Park, which is what I was told by planning due to the Council tip sitting underneath it but I am happy to be corrected if I am wrong. Wigmore was always a prime contender for airport expansion.

My post from 12th May 2017


A new apron could be built on the eastern side of the short term car park after the second multistory is built but the real issue will always be the size of the terminal which would be hard to add further capacity to.
Meanwhile you still haven’t said if you have posted off your reply to LLAL informing them who owns the land your home sits on, as they want an update to their blighted home list.

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Old 26th Oct 2020, 16:37
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Provided you get the design right there is no reason why an apron cannot be built on a council tip. IMO that is.
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Old 26th Oct 2020, 17:02
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La Guardia NYC built on landfill from a municipal garbage dump back in the day albeit with a metal reinforcing framework that interferes with aircraft compasses on taxy out.
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Old 26th Oct 2020, 17:06
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Yes I have no doubt I was fed bs from the planning officer at the council. In those days I still didn’t know how dishonest they could be. Terminal 2 on piles but the aprons are within the existing boundary according to LLAL. Saying that the plan is to dig out the tip which is up to 20m deep.

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Old 26th Oct 2020, 18:49
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The choice between the dig out and dispose off site or construct the apron ,with an appropriate design, would probably be commercial. A cost comparison between the two options would be needed.
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Old 26th Oct 2020, 20:52
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Spanish eyes what's your take on what is happening in town, let allown the airport in social distancing? Taxi anyone?
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Old 26th Oct 2020, 21:08
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The choice between the dig out and dispose off site or construct the apron ,with an appropriate design, would probably be commercial. A cost comparison between the two options would be needed.

The consultation says they will dig it all out and process the waste on site. The really nasty stuff will be taken away. This was the last time they dug into the unregulated waste tip on the local park. The tip was capped with a 1metre clay layer which has done a great job. Maybe the plan is to transport the toxic waste to Lee Baker Streetís back garden, which is why LLAL have taken an interest in his property?



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Old 26th Oct 2020, 21:34
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Spanish eyes what's your take on what is happening in town, let allown the airport in social distancing? Taxi anyone?
Don’t try and wind me up. For those that don’t know, Luton has an issue with one community that seems to have an issue with Covid rules. First it was the mayor and two councillors attending a Covid party when it was banned. Now it is an issue at a religious establishment that only came to light after a major punch up involving 250 people.

I often look through the multi faith room at the terminal which is meant to be for all religions but caters for just one as there are no chairs but only prayer mats and somewhere to wash ones feet. No social distancing in there either but at least they are all facing the same direction. And no I would not catch a Luton Airport taxi.

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