Wikiposts
Search
Airlines, Airports & Routes Topics about airports, routes and airline business.

Luton-9

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 24th Dec 2019, 15:40
  #3221 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: UK
Posts: 964
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally Posted by boeing_eng
throwing a sickie is unlikely to be allowed to pass unnoticed

Unfortunately, throwing a sickie is all too common with some of LTN's handling agents and the rapid turn-over of staff reflects this!

Christmas day working at LTN is a recent thing for many staff so I have some sympathy for those who joined before the Wizz invasion!
Plenty of sympathy yes, but it is now a major airport in this country and should come to be expected.

LHR will be very busy tomorrow; clearly not as busy as normal ops, but still many flights many of which to destinations where they very much celebrate Christmas tomorrow - it's a cheaper day to fly. There will be many no doubt heading to JNB for the first test match on Boxing Day as an example.
Dannyboy39 is offline  
Old 24th Dec 2019, 22:59
  #3222 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: In the sticks
Posts: 9,843
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Lee Baker Street

Have a lovely Christmas LTNman and every one else in this forum.



And you and all Forum members.

There has been plenty of talking points this year. Next week sees the start of a new decade, I wonder what next year and the next 10 years will bring? Will I get the opportunity to end my construction updates as I seem to have been doing them for years. 2020 should see the end of the construction phase of the Dart with 2021 set as the opening date. Also 2020 should see the new taxiway go in at the 26 end and maybe a new apron by the run up bay.

The next decade will see Luton either with a second terminal or the airport capped at 22.5 million and confined to its existing boundary but tomorrow for one day only will see Luton as the 4th busiest UK airport as Stansted only has a handful of flights.





Last edited by LTNman; 24th Dec 2019 at 23:13.
LTNman is offline  
Old 24th Dec 2019, 23:28
  #3223 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Oban, Scotland
Posts: 1,842
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
How many flights are scheduled?
inOban is offline  
Old 25th Dec 2019, 00:07
  #3224 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Not so many places currently
Age: 60
Posts: 3,788
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by inOban
How many flights are scheduled?
66 I believe, and that is without any EZY departures at Luton. EZY have a small program from LGW and running about 380 sectors around Europe, next year expect more!
pabely is offline  
Old 25th Dec 2019, 00:36
  #3225 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: any town as retired.
Posts: 2,182
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
ltn

inc 2 BA deps...............................
Gulfstreamaviator is offline  
Old 25th Dec 2019, 04:50
  #3226 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: In the sticks
Posts: 9,843
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
A quick count of the boards shows 66 departures and 58 arrivals but they both run out of room so there might be more. Also I think 4 Wizz came in during the early hours that are now not showing so that makes at least 128 movements.

Not much public transport today so today is the day of the car.

Last edited by LTNman; 25th Dec 2019 at 06:03.
LTNman is offline  
Old 25th Dec 2019, 07:19
  #3227 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Not so many places currently
Age: 60
Posts: 3,788
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Gulfstreamaviator
inc 2 BA deps...............................
Freight I would assume, usual codeshare A300F
pabely is offline  
Old 25th Dec 2019, 12:37
  #3228 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: In the sticks
Posts: 9,843
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Drove through the back of the airport at lunchtime and could not see any vacant stands just a mass of Easyjet and a few Ryanair aircraft with not a Wizz in sight. Without the first wave of Easyjet departures I was wondering where the inbound Wizz parked as I would not have thought the Wizz based aircraft would have provided enough spare stands.
LTNman is offline  
Old 26th Dec 2019, 12:19
  #3229 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Not so many places currently
Age: 60
Posts: 3,788
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by LTNman
A quick count of the boards shows 66 departures and 58 arrivals but they both run out of room so there might be more. Also I think 4 Wizz came in during the early hours that are now not showing so that makes at least 128 movements.
About 40 FBO movements as well, a few would normally use Farnborough.
pabely is offline  
Old 26th Dec 2019, 12:22
  #3230 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Under the flight path
Posts: 2,625
Received 11 Likes on 4 Posts
Actual number - 134 airline movements
LGS6753 is offline  
Old 27th Dec 2019, 20:58
  #3231 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: World
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The last update of caa statistic of November 18.127.372, what is happened now? If the maximum allow is only 18.000.000
Smpl is offline  
Old 27th Dec 2019, 23:43
  #3232 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: London Whipsnade Wildlife Park
Posts: 5,038
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Employ a well known MP to do the passenger counting?
Buster the Bear is offline  
Old 28th Dec 2019, 07:35
  #3233 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: In the sticks
Posts: 9,843
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The airport in collusion with the council only count certain passenger types so the airport in their eyes is still below 18 million at just over 17.9 million. In the short term the airport has imposed restrictions for 2020 which allegedly stopped Air India coming to Luton. For 2021 they expect the council to raise passenger limits to 19 million which will happen seeing they own the asset. It will then be gradually increased to 22.5 million regardless of the planning application for a second terminal which will go to government.
LTNman is offline  
Old 28th Dec 2019, 08:59
  #3234 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: UK
Posts: 964
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally Posted by Smpl
The last update of caa statistic of November 18.127.372, what is happened now? If the maximum allow is only 18.000.000
In reality, how can you manage this anyway? You can't second guess how many passengers are going to turn up for a certain flight and for sure you cannot impose load factor quotas on certain flights.

18m passenger will probably equate to 20m seats - but if you have higher than expected load factors, you're always going to go over the top.
Dannyboy39 is offline  
Old 28th Dec 2019, 09:28
  #3235 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Not so many places currently
Age: 60
Posts: 3,788
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Dannyboy39
In reality, how can you manage this anyway? You can't second guess how many passengers are going to turn up for a certain flight and for sure you cannot impose load factor quotas on certain flights.

18m passenger will probably equate to 20m seats - but if you have higher than expected load factors, you're always going to go over the top.
Correct, it is a limit in words only. Is there a legal precedence on what the limit it? Actual pax turning up? Booked seats, available seats? Seats on sheduled flights only?

A question about Air India, reported by many sources, despite the preference of a Slough MP that the Amritsar route should run via Luton, I think it was at the limit of the range if a 788 from Luton's runway. With them now starting Mumbai which is 450miles further, would this have been technically a bridge to far anyhow?

Last edited by pabely; 28th Dec 2019 at 09:49.
pabely is offline  
Old 28th Dec 2019, 09:59
  #3236 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Northumberland
Posts: 8,526
Received 81 Likes on 56 Posts
I would expect that it is monitored based on planned flights e.g. airline tells airport we would like to operate X flights using Y a/c = Z number of seats and airport should be saying no, you need to reduce by Q% if the planning limited is exceeded. There maybe an adjustment made to take account of load factor e.g expected pax rather than availbale seats, but I would expect that it can only be managed in advance by the number of planned flights.
SWBKCB is online now  
Old 28th Dec 2019, 10:25
  #3237 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: UK
Posts: 964
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Managed in advance - the schedules are out up to 12-18 months in advance!
Dannyboy39 is offline  
Old 28th Dec 2019, 13:35
  #3238 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: In the sticks
Posts: 9,843
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Using the airports own measuring criteria Luton could be in breach of its planning permission probably in November if passenger numbers continue to grow but the council takes a report from the airport operator only every 3 months plus up to 28 additional days. The 18 million limit is for commercial passengers only so excludes infants and non paying passengers.

The airport operator has put a ban in place for any increase in movements but that still allows larger aircraft to be used. When the airport busts 18 million commercial passengers this will allow pressure groups to make complaints to the council but it is doubtful if the council will take any action when there is a pending planning application to increase passengers to 19 million. Remember Luton Airport is Luton Borough Council.

Last edited by LTNman; 11th Jan 2020 at 05:27.
LTNman is offline  
Old 28th Dec 2019, 19:54
  #3239 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Not so many places currently
Age: 60
Posts: 3,788
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by LTNman
The airport operator has put a ban in place for any increase in movements but that still allows larger aircraft to be used.
Just new routes and charters? Source please.
Euro 2020 with a few games in London this summer.

pabely is offline  
Old 28th Dec 2019, 20:21
  #3240 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Luton
Posts: 402
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by LTNman
Using the airports own measuring criteria Luton will be in breach of its planning permission probably in November but the council takes a report from the airport operator only every 3 months plus up to 28 additional days. The 18 million limit is for commercial passengers only so excludes infants and non paying passengers.

The airport operator has put a ban in place for any increase in movements but that still allows larger aircraft to be used. When the airport busts 18 million commercial passengers this will allow pressure groups to make complaints to the council but it is doubtful if the council will take any action when there is a pending planning application to increase passengers to 19 million. Remember Luton Airport is Luton Borough Council.
LTNman. You talk of pressure groups but remember even if 300 people oppose the planning application and 100 are enthusiastic about it, there are still 400,000 people —plus, living within twelve miles around the airport who are neutral and therefore not concerned either way by the expansion. You need to rejoice the potential for an expanded Luton Airport that will generate thousands of jobs for local folk living in the airports catchment area. Yes the 18 million passenger limit will no doubt be breached for the year end but it’s not an Indictable offence! Once Brexit takes hold, more than ever the Government will seek growth in all areas of industry and would be foolish to deny employment opportunities at Luton!
Lee Baker Street is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.