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Old 24th Oct 2019, 17:29
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Originally Posted by LTNman
I think ops ended up in Germany.
TUI Airways and Nordic ops are at Wigmore House
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Old 24th Oct 2019, 17:36
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Originally Posted by TartinTon
TUI Airways and Nordic ops are at Wigmore House
Yes TUI Group is in Hanover as is TUI Fly Germany. UK Ops are all as TT says including the UK holiday brands of First Choice & TUI Holidays in Wigmore House.
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Old 24th Oct 2019, 18:17
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Originally Posted by TartinTon
TUI Airways and Nordic ops are at Wigmore House
Did they move it back to the UK? I always thought that when the ops building got knocked down the jobs went to Germany but that was years ago. This was before TUI moved out of London.
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Old 24th Oct 2019, 22:07
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The function in Hannover for the whole of the TUI group is flight planning ops

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Old 25th Oct 2019, 06:19
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Leg well and truly pulled LOL
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Old 26th Oct 2019, 20:15
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From ACL's Start of Season W19 report:

"The introduction of a declared seasonal Passenger Air Transport Movement (PATM) cap to control annual passenger numbers against a planning limit has severely impacted planned growth for the W19 season. The limit has been declared at 39,129 PATMs with all the quota being fully allocated at the time of writing. This is a significant obstacle to clearing new slot requests going through the main passenger terminal and the introduction of this constraint has caused increased schedule fragmentation in some cases." ....

"Overnight stand capacity remains fully allocated for the W19 season."

Blue Air capacity down 34% on W18
EZS operating 10 rotations, EZY group up slightly.
DHL up 20%
El Al up 10%
FlyBosnia with 88 slots.
MNG up 8%
Ryanair up slightly
Sun Express 10 slots v 0 in W18
No Tarom
TUI down 20%
Vueling/Anisec (Level) up 20%
Wizz Air unchanged
Overall, a very slight increase in movements and passenger capacity.
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Old 27th Oct 2019, 07:16
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Just looking at the arrivals board and this evening is 36 arrivals in just over 2 hours between 20:55 and 23:00. Seems particularly busy for LTN, is this usually the case when we hit the winter season?
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Old 27th Oct 2019, 16:21
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Originally Posted by FRatSTN
Just looking at the arrivals board and this evening is 36 arrivals in just over 2 hours between 20:55 and 23:00. Seems particularly busy for LTN, is this usually the case when we hit the winter season?
You can add another 12 if you go to 23:45. Schools are back tomorrow after half term..

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Old 27th Oct 2019, 17:35
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Originally Posted by LTNman
You can add another 12 if you go to 23:45. Schools are back tomorrow after half term..
Hertfordshire Half Term is next week, so plenty of traffic for next weekend as well.
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Old 27th Oct 2019, 20:34
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Originally Posted by toledoashley
Hertfordshire Half Term is next week, so plenty of traffic for next weekend as well.
And Bucks as well.
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Old 27th Oct 2019, 22:33
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Construction update

Tonight I will just focus on the new drop off zone.

Traffic is using a temporary access route which still allows for 2 paths for cars to follow. This gives them access to different drop off lanes depending on which side of the support they pass


Traffic seems to self regulate in that if one route is at a standstill cars will switch before the support to the other route.


Traffic generally moves freely even in the night time peak and only bunches for a few seconds.


Traffic lights are independent but most people just wait for a gap in the traffic so don't press the crossing button. This family were the exception


No congestion at the exit barriers


My conclusion after 30 minutes of study is that the drop off zone is working remarkably well and better than I expected. Passenger numbers were moderate despite lots of landings although passengers might have not cleared the terminal during my visit. The big advantage is that passengers wait in the dry but can still get soaked on the long walk to the terminal before the covered walkways start by the taxi rank. I believe the airport has raised its game and is giving passengers a better experience regarding pick up and dropping off.

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Old 28th Oct 2019, 07:49
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Originally Posted by FRatSTN
Just looking at the arrivals board and this evening is 36 arrivals in just over 2 hours between 20:55 and 23:00. Seems particularly busy for LTN, is this usually the case when we hit the winter season?
Yes that normal for winter. Easyjet just switched to Winter schedule. All the usual late arrivals are now scheduled to come back between 2100 and 2300.
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Old 28th Oct 2019, 16:28
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According to the declaration for summer 2020 to ACL there is a limit of 12,880,000 passenger seats. Will that impact on any future expansion I would imagine so.
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Old 28th Oct 2019, 20:17
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Originally Posted by compton3bravo
According to the declaration for summer 2020 to ACL there is a limit of 12,880,000 passenger seats. Will that impact on any future expansion I would imagine so.
How soon a decision to add pax limit above 18M? Was it +1M or 1.5M?
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Old 28th Oct 2019, 21:32
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Originally Posted by pabely
How soon a decision to add pax limit above 18M? Was it +1M or 1.5M?
One million and one million too many. More crowded lounges with more noise and more pollution for the locals.
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Old 29th Oct 2019, 00:37
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One million and one million too many. More crowded lounges with more noise and more pollution for the locals.
one millon extra passengers = more jobs, more revenue. Bring it on.
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Something to ponder for those that want more airport jobs for other people to do that they would not be prepared to do themselves. Anyone like to guess what the average wage will be for the extra jobs that would be created in the new terminal, car parks and on the new apron? Not everyone is going to be taken on as a tanker driver or a new member of ATC. Remember that many workers are not offered full time contracts but part time and zero hour contracts as the report below highlights.

The companies working the terminal, aprons and car parks struggle now to hold onto staff as there are very high turnovers of workers who don’t like working 24/7 shift pattens including weekends and bank holidays for a crap wage so they leave when they can.

Anyone prepared to dispute the report below on Luton Airport?

https://stoplae.org/workers-trapped-...owned-airport/

Todays vacancies at https://www.london-luton.co.uk/corporate/working-at-lla

This was the first job from the above link that gave hours.

Sales Advisor Cashier (full time) -> 4 ON 2 OFF (rolling shift), 2 Early x 04:00 to 13:00, 2 Late 13:00 to 22:00, and 2 Day Off (includes weekends – rolling shift pattern)

This was the first job I found that mentioned a salary
Pay
· £8.46 p.h.

I know of young adults working at the airport on just over £6 per hour and a 17 year old on just over £4 an hour although I don’t think he can work night shifts.

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Old 29th Oct 2019, 07:38
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I agree 100% Spanish Eyes...... As a long term airport worker its obvious that the decent paid jobs are basically limited to Pilots, ATC staff, Engineers, Fire Fighters and some refueling staff.

The claim that Hazel Simmonds used in her TV interview last week that a new terminal would help to eradicate poverty in Luton is total rubbish! (around 75% of the above mentioned employees do not live
in the local area!) The minimum wage offered for the bulk of airport jobs is hardly going to turn Luton into a new Manhattan!
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Old 29th Oct 2019, 08:26
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Of course not all the jobs are well paid but there will also be pilot and cabin crew jobs as well, if there are extra aircraft for based airlines then also support jobs in the crew rooms, and HQ’s as well.

so your argument is because the majority of jobs won’t be well paid then there should be no expansion. You all seem to think the business park is a better idea than a second terminal. It wouldn’t be some high tech offering, more than likely more amazon style jobs as the flavour of the times is supply chain, logistics and next day deliveries..... or let’s just not have any jobs at all shall we ? Close down the airport and all the retail in the town, warehousing, transport staff, carers, cleaners, security guards etc and have everyone unemployed because the hours or pay offered isn’t at what you consider an acceptable level.

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Old 29th Oct 2019, 09:38
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Any expansion has to be balanced with all the other normal factors that come into play...... It should never be expansion at any cost!

There are several major UK Airports which would have quite happily expanded far more than where we are now if they had been allowed to do so. The difference is they have local Councils who actually listen and support the views of local residents etc (unlike LTN where the clear
conflict of interest with the council & airport ownership means that local residents are getting basically ignored!)

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