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Old 21st Oct 2019, 07:48
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You might be moaning more next week as the new drop off zone opens Wednesday so we will see if there are any tailbacks off season. As for the amount of money the council has so far borrowed or is committed to borrow the bill is sitting between £440 and £450 million. £225m is for the rail link that is only required for a second terminal as the bus service can cope but the cost of £225m is to get it to the existing terminal only. If planning permission is granted for T2 then new Taxiway Foxtrot and Taxiway Delta will need to be cut and covered for the track and the cut and cover will then have to continue across an unstable waste tip.

The council will be in deep financial sh!t if the government refuses planning permission. They might well be in deep financial sh!t if the government does give it permission. At the end of the day it is the council taxpayers who will suffer in cuts to council services but that information is being withheld that the council rather than LLAL will be funding the interest payments on some of the loans. The loans taken out by LLAL means they will have less dividend money to pay the council. And where did LLAL get their loan money from? Why the council who had to again borrow the money themselves.

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Old 21st Oct 2019, 08:47
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Standby for the worst traffic jam the airport will have seen in years.

29th November to 2nd December 2019
A1081 New Airport Way - Full closure
There will be a full closure of the A1081 New Airport Way in both directions between 00:01 on Friday 29th November until 23:59 on Monday 2nd December 2019 to allow for bridge installation as part of the DART project. Diversions will be in place.
  • Cars approaching the airport from the M1 should follow diversions along the B563 Gypsy Lane, A505 Kimpton Road to Airport Way.
  • HGVs and coaches approaching the airport form the M1 should follow the diversion route along London Road, onto Castle Street, A505 Park Viaduct to Windmill Road, then onto the A505 Kimpton Road and Airport Way.
  • These route are to be followed backwards for drivers travelling towards the M1.
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Old 21st Oct 2019, 09:04
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There is already traffic jam at the Gipsy Lane Retail Park traffic lights on a 'normal' day without the extra road closure traffic. So take notice of LTNmans warning !!!!
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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 19:39
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Heard from someone in the know working in TUI HQ that next year will be the last year they will base an aircraft at LTN.

Looking at Luton flight supplements it wouldn’t surprise me. I know of people living within a mile of LTN who fly not only from Gatwick but also Birmingham to save money despite picking up car parking charges.

Tomorrow the new indoor drop off zone goes live mid morning.
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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 20:14
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I have lived within 30 mins drive of the airport for most of the last 35 years, Including on the Euston/Birmingham railway line. On ANY occaision that I compared routes and prices, the cost of going further always outweighed any saving in price. Not to mention the time factor.
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 01:03
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No mention of expansion of TUI Ops at Luton...

So TUI announced on Tuesday massive expansion of their programme for Summer 2020, with around 50,000 extra seats for Stansted and just under 200,000 additional seats for Birmingham going on sale.

Not a single mention of Luton getting any new routes or capacity increase.

It's mentioned in the Exeter forum, they will also get expansion and will have two aircraft based there on certain days!

Other people have stated that the TUI Summer 2020 programme at LTN is already planned to be smaller than this year, which was already a cut on previous years. Doesn't seem to be much commitment to the airline's HQ.

With Ryanair and Wizz expansion over the last year, could that be a cause with a lack of morning slots and apron space?
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 05:47
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Originally Posted by PAXboy View Post
I have lived within 30 mins drive of the airport for most of the last 35 years, Including on the Euston/Birmingham railway line. On ANY occaision that I compared routes and prices, the cost of going further always outweighed any saving in price. Not to mention the time factor.
All depends on the size of the party travelling. A family of 4 using a group save rail ticket or travelling in one car can soon make a saving by not using Luton for their TUI holiday and that is what has been happening. Personally I wouldnít want the hassle when there is an airport on the doorstep.
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 11:15
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What a contrast. Britannia operated ten or more aircraft from LTN in the 1970s, and even long-haul using 707s. In those days, Luton was 99% charter with the only scheduled service being Jersey, but with the demise of the package tour, it looks as though LTN will soon be one of the first airports in the UK to be 100% scheduled (if those distinctions still apply).
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 12:27
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Originally Posted by LGS6753 View Post
What a contrast. Britannia operated ten or more aircraft from LTN in the 1970s, and even long-haul using 707s. In those days, Luton was 99% charter with the only scheduled service being Jersey, but with the demise of the package tour, it looks as though LTN will soon be one of the first airports in the UK to be 100% scheduled (if those distinctions still apply).
Southend, London City, Newquay, Prestwick are virtually all scheduled ops. Certainly not the first, it would be the biggest though.

Arenít we jumping the gun here somewhat though?
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 13:17
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Correct TUI are sending a LTN based 737 next Summer to spend the half the week at EXT then over to BOH for the rest of the week it seems.
So EXT and BOH both see 1 and a 1/2 737NG's based for them each week.

Back in the early 70's LTN had around 10 Court Line 1-11 500's and 2 Tristars
BMA usually had one or two 1-11 500's operating on IT's.
Dan Air had 5 LTN based 1-11 300/400's plus the Comets and 727-100's coming in on W patterns for longer routes.
Monarch had both a handful of Brits and a handful of 720B's based
and Britannia had about a dozen or so 737-200's on the fleet by then
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 20:03
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Agreed LTNman. I do understand the savings for a family and friends of mine in Hemel Hempstead often use STN for that reason. As I am travelling solo or with my partner, then I use LTN or LHR as priority. I did use BHX once, simply due to the destination and having to meet with my brother.

Scheduled is now the norm, for all the reasons discussed over the last ten years.
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 21:12
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Still hear the rumour every few months that TUI will close their Luton hangar. I always remember working in their concrete ops centre which was a major operation by the old control tower. They had several other offices and buildings around the airport and of course their old hangar that ended up as easyJet’s HQ.

TUI have a large office block around a mile away but I think that is more holiday rather than airline focussed. I think ops ended up in Germany.
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 23:06
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TUI will continue to and have used easyJet from Luton, just like TCX did. Probably see this even more in the future. Maybe overall, easyJet can seriously undercut price wise TUI's own airline? Buying a number of seats per season probably is a win-win for both?
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Old 24th Oct 2019, 00:00
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Originally Posted by rog747 View Post
Correct TUI are sending a LTN based 737 next Summer to spend the half the week at EXT then over to BOH for the rest of the week it seems.
So EXT and BOH both see 1 and a 1/2 737NG's based for them each week.

Back in the early 70's LTN had around 10 Court Line 1-11 500's and 2 Tristars
BMA usually had one or two 1-11 500's operating on IT's.
Dan Air had 5 LTN based 1-11 300/400's plus the Comets and 727-100's coming in on W patterns for longer routes.
Monarch had both a handful of Brits and a handful of 720B's based
and Britannia had about a dozen or so 737-200's on the fleet by then
I think LTNman was talking about S21, S20 still requires the based 738 like this year, unless it will be a 757 thus releasing the 738.
That is hell of alot of based aircraft in 70s when LTN only had, I think 18 stands and a few used for cargo or work with MAEL.
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Old 24th Oct 2019, 00:27
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Heard from someone in the know working in TUI HQ that next year will be the last year they will base an aircraft at LTN.

Hmmm....shame that person in the know hasn't communicated this rather important info to the affected TUI staff!
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Old 24th Oct 2019, 00:38
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Originally Posted by pabely View Post
I think LTNman was talking about S21, S20 still requires the based 738 like this year, unless it will be a 757 thus releasing the 738.
That is hell of alot of based aircraft in 70s when LTN only had, I think 18 stands and a few used for cargo or work with MAEL.
LTN was a 1x 757 this summer, with a 738 only coming in for a few weeks in the peak season then leaving again. Perhaps LTN wonít see this next year? Iím not sure as I havenít checked TUIís website. LTN certainly wonít be seeing expansion but it is possible the base could shrink to just 1x 738 or 757 for the entire summer.
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Old 24th Oct 2019, 09:41
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LTN 1970's charter a/c

Originally Posted by pabely View Post
That is hell of alot of based aircraft in 70s when LTN only had, I think 18 stands and a few used for cargo or work with MAEL.
Dan's def had the 5 baby 1-11's based there

MON/OM had at least 4 maybe 5 of the 720B's by then, but one or two would have been flying in and out of say BHX for instance.
The Brits numbers were dwindling (all jet by 1976) and their 1-11's came along after Courts' collapse.

Likewise Court flew their 1-11's also from BRS BHX CWL NCL, then also from LGW too when they bought Horizon Hols who then dumped their BCAL flying contract.

Britannia flew also from LGW and many other UK regionals with their 737's so obviously the BY 732 fleet was not at LTN all the time.

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Old 24th Oct 2019, 13:38
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In the early years of the 720Bs almost all flying was Luton based and they had 4 Britannias as well until 1972. They starting flying more from Gatwick once the late Alan Snudden came in from Dan Air.

The BY fleet was always more dispersed.

Stands were not as formal then as they are now. Aeroplanes were often packed in a way more akin to a car park round the Court Line Hanger for example.

This might be better continued on the AH&N thread.
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Old 24th Oct 2019, 13:46
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Exclamation

Things were also a lot more sensible in years gone by! The current modus operandi requires a follow me to guide a 757 past H89!

Tristars & DC10's were doing this in the 70's without any fuss!

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Old 24th Oct 2019, 18:00
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rog747 I was only pulling your leg. I read like saying EZY have 200+ airbus based today!
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