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Old 4th Jun 2019, 08:15
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So one way or another there *should* be a robust and defendable decision. Whatever it is there will be people that donít like it, but that doesnít make it unjust.
Thats exactly the point. if the Council were doing anything illegal they would be called to account.
All councils pass planning Applications to suit their own needs , loan money to Football/ Rugby clubs etc
Luton is no different, it sees , quite rightly , the Airport as itís biggest Asset , job generator.
Obviously people donít like it on here but I agree it doesnít make it unjustifiable.
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Old 5th Jun 2019, 13:56
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Local radio talk-in where the Council, LLAL and LLAOL all refused to take part in the discussion to relax the airport noise limit. Maybe they have no defence but it was a one sided argument. Worth a listen to those people here who don't care about peoples lives and those that think the council should decide planning applications regarding its own airport. It seems that the planning inspectorate might get involved. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p079zbfh
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Old 5th Jun 2019, 16:05
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...W8tFCTpYqkmkds

The best quote of the day
Luton Borough Council said: "We are still considering the application and cannot make any further comments at this time."
What they mean is can the planning and development committee who are far from being independent decision makers find a way to ignore public opinion particularly when one of the committee members is now being investigated for a breach of planning law by not declaring an interest in a LLAL planning application on March 27th when a decision was made in favour of LLAL 2 weeks before a consultation period had ended.
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Old 5th Jun 2019, 17:43
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But the Planning Committee comprises Councillors, who get voted in or out depending on, err. public opinion.
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Old 5th Jun 2019, 18:41
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By 29.37% of the Luton electorate.
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Old 5th Jun 2019, 19:16
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By 29.37% of the Luton electorate.
That argument is null and void, if people canít be bothered to walk 10 mins to the polling station that is the fault of the people and not of the Council. An alternate view is not enough people feel strongly enough to change things.
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Old 5th Jun 2019, 19:17
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By 29.37% of the Luton electorate.
Which is the way democracy works - any better ideas??
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Old 5th Jun 2019, 19:23
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...W8tFCTpYqkmkds

The best quote of the day


What they mean is can the planning and development committee who are far from being independent decision makers find a way to ignore public opinion particularly when one of the committee members is now being investigated for a breach of planning law by not declaring an interest in a LLAL planning application on March 27th when a decision was made in favour of LLAL 2 weeks before a consultation period had ended.
No, they absolutely cannot pre-judge the outcome of the application before a decision is made. Itís absolutely correct they do not appear on any chat shows or make comment. Were they to do so they would be in hot water. Not everything is a conspiracy.

Committee members being investigated or suspended or even expelled or arrested is also not unique to Luton.
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Old 5th Jun 2019, 22:41
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No one was asking any of the Planning and Development Committee to speak on the radio. The BBC were trying to get someone from the council or LLAL who are actually the same people or the airport concessionaire LLAOL to appear.

The truth is that the planning committee cannot be trusted to give a fair and honest opinion based on the evidence presented on the day. The members who represent the ruling party are under instruction to follow the councils views even though they could never admit it for legal reasons. It might be the case that the council will buckle this time from mounting pressure so time will tell but it appears that the planning inspectorate will be lurking in the background to take over the decision if the council allows this to go through.
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Old 5th Jun 2019, 23:13
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 View Post


That argument is null and void, if people can’t be bothered to walk 10 mins to the polling station that is the fault of the people and not of the Council. An alternate view is not enough people feel strongly enough to change things.
​​​​​​Thank you for reflecting on your first sentence in your second. Not for the first time you have articulated my viewpoint better than I could. However, there is so much going on at LTN that only those on the ground can open up their nostrils to, that I feel obliged to retreat back to the seaside and comment on matters where I have some small contribution to make.

LTN has achieved remarkable success, but not without criticism from reasonable - middle of the road people. Food for thought, and lessons to be learnt elsewhere, I hope.
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 07:36
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I have followed Luton’s progress for well over 40 years. I have worked in the terminal when there was more staff on duty than passengers and when Luton still used additional grass runways for the light aircraft. Most of that time I was frustrated that Luton had peaked at around 3.3 million passengers in I think 1973 but after Court went bust always seemed to hover around the 1.8 million mark as I wanted more.

In 1999 the new terminal opened when from memory the passenger figure was around 5 million and all was fine in my world. There was still long gaps between departures and for much of the time there was no airport related noise so there was a balance. I can’t really say when that balance changed but the airport is now intrusive and affects more and more lives.

The physical changes in the last 5 years have been incredible. Stand inside the CTA and only the control tower and the hangar seemed to have remained untouched. The rest of the area is completely unrecognisable. New road layouts, bus station, terminal front, pier, drop off zone, 2 multi-storey car parks and a station under construction have all left the airport looking completely different.

From my point of view enough is enough. A line has to be drawn in the sand where future expansion outside the airports existing boundary is unacceptable.

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Old 6th Jun 2019, 09:10
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In 1999 the new terminal opened when from memory the passenger figure was around 5 million and all was fine in my world.

From my point of view enough is enough. A line has to be drawn in the sand
I guess at the end of the day people will just have differing views .
I know people living in Wigmore more than happy with the expansion.

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Old 6th Jun 2019, 09:54
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I too have followed Luton Airport's development since my first visit there as a schoolboy in 1965. LTNman is right that the development in recent years has been transformative.
However, life too has suffered or benefited from transformational change in recent years. Britain has unforeseen levels of prosperity. The propensity to travel, and especially by air, has increased exponentially. Use and ownership of cars has changed every built environment - mostly for the worse. In recent years, population growth, especially in the south-east, has been unsustainably high.

The idea that one can stop "progress", however malign it may seem, is unrealistic. The best that can be done is to try to influence events, or to accept them as they are, or escape to a more benign environment and look back on one's happier memories.

/Here endeth the lesson/
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 11:39
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This is just an observation but I think it is accurate. In 1999 most of Luton's passengers were UK citizens as it was rare to hear a foreign language inside the terminal so I will call that 5 million. I would say that figure now sits at around 8 million or 9 million so demand from UK citizens has grown say 80% in nearly 20 years.

Passengers from outside the UK has grown from next to nothing to 8 or 9 million so that is where most of the growth has come from. This is mainly due to Eastern Europeans and Luton being more recognised as a London Airport.
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Old 7th Jun 2019, 09:14
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easyJet HQ will leave Hanger 89 in three years time to a new purpose built building on Vauxhall Way. H89 will return to its use primarily as an engineering building and crew room unless the crew room moves airside. For the three years until the new build is ready, some staff will relocate to capability green and the academy which is behind the cargo shed. One or two floors of the multi story car park in the CTA will be for flight crew and those staff remaining in H89.
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Old 7th Jun 2019, 09:53
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Strange place to move to. Vauxhall Way has a hillside on one side and IBC (Vauxhall motors) on the other but also contains a massive car park by Eaton Green Road that is part used by Easyjet. Also it is outside of the Enterprise zone. Thought they would go to Napier Park down Kimpton Road with its access to Luton Airport Parkway and the DART

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Old 7th Jun 2019, 10:41
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I donít think it is that strange LTNman, Napier Park isnít suitable for what is needed.Why rent land and waste money when you can purchase your own land and do what you want with it within planning rules 😉.
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Old 7th Jun 2019, 10:54
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So Century Park was also rejected which is part of the Enterprise zone. While it is good news for the town the Council has lost one of its main arguments why Century Park is needed as its location was meant to be for airport related activity.
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Old 7th Jun 2019, 13:45
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Luton ATC logbooks

Good afternoon,
I've been pointed in this direction by a colleague so I hope this is the correct forum.
In short, I'm led to believe someone on here may have access to the movements records for Luton for 1973-1975. These would have included landing/take off times, flight no, destination, type, reg etc.
Is anyone able to help with these by any chance please, I'm hoping to tie up some flights I was on back then to specific aircraft etc.?

Regards

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Old 7th Jun 2019, 14:24
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gatman You need to put your question here LUTON History and Nostalgia
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