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Really gutted about this, a great and long standing name now gone. Due to failings and consolidation most of the great names such as British Midland, Britannia have gone and its sad as many great memories as a toddler/young boy falling in love with aviation watching these names.
First memory of Monarch was my first flight ironically on Britannia Airways, taking my seat as a four year old looking out the window to see a Monarch BAC 1-11 pull up beside us.
Flew with Monarch a few times, notably the excellent special final A300 flight they did from LGW to BHX, even have the headrest cover off the flight on my Flight Sim PC seat!
Will seem odd going to BHX/MAN/LTN to watch planes with my own kids and not seeing these around... nor in my flight sim world.
Thoughts with all the employees and passengers affected, hope all get fixed up quickly and with their great service I am sure most will.
First memory of Monarch was my first flight ironically on Britannia Airways, taking my seat as a four year old looking out the window to see a Monarch BAC 1-11 pull up beside us.
Flew with Monarch a few times, notably the excellent special final A300 flight they did from LGW to BHX, even have the headrest cover off the flight on my Flight Sim PC seat!
Will seem odd going to BHX/MAN/LTN to watch planes with my own kids and not seeing these around... nor in my flight sim world.
Thoughts with all the employees and passengers affected, hope all get fixed up quickly and with their great service I am sure most will.
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sorry to hear the news, been there myself and not easy, if anyone wants to pm me i have number of openings in various positions in the Caribbean not just for front end but across the board and i can give more info
hopefully mods approve this type of message
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hopefully mods approve this type of message
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With the cash injection they got last year and the subsequent announcement that it secured their long term financial stability the CAA eased the restriction and allowed them to sell flights on the same level as everyone else with no cover (ATOL carries a £2.50 per person surcharge ).
Personally I think it's really rather sad that it's had to come to this, can't help but wonder what would have happened had they kept the 787 order and took on TUI/TCX in the longhaul leisure fray. I had some great flight with them in recent years, notably the last A300 flight but also a few scheduled trips down to Malaga and Innsbruck - sadly the thing that really made those flights stand out aside from the great crews was the fact they were largely empty. Only 16 of us on an A321 BHX - INN.
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So sorry for Monarch and all staff.
I don't understand how these things work so therefore I can't understand why the powers that be have hired a load of Qatar aircraft when there are lots of Monarch aircraft sitting on the ground, along with the crews, who are perfectly capable of going and fetching the stranded passengers. Why pay Qatar to fly all the way here and then all the way back instead of giving the money to Monarch and thence their creditors and using Monarch to do the job?
Unless of course the AOC has been pulled as well but that should be just a paper exercise for the CAA.
Can someone please enlighten me?
I don't understand how these things work so therefore I can't understand why the powers that be have hired a load of Qatar aircraft when there are lots of Monarch aircraft sitting on the ground, along with the crews, who are perfectly capable of going and fetching the stranded passengers. Why pay Qatar to fly all the way here and then all the way back instead of giving the money to Monarch and thence their creditors and using Monarch to do the job?
Unless of course the AOC has been pulled as well but that should be just a paper exercise for the CAA.
Can someone please enlighten me?
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This is such a sad day.
My nearly 25 years with Monarch were the best of my career, spanning the EuroBerlin contract in the late 80's to ten years on the a330.
What fabulous memories of a great airline and fantastic crew and staff.
My thoughts are with all former friends and colleagues on the demise of one of aviations great airlines!
My nearly 25 years with Monarch were the best of my career, spanning the EuroBerlin contract in the late 80's to ten years on the a330.
What fabulous memories of a great airline and fantastic crew and staff.
My thoughts are with all former friends and colleagues on the demise of one of aviations great airlines!
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"I can't understand why the powers that be have hired a load of Qatar aircraft when there are lots of Monarch aircraft sitting on the ground"
Someone pointed out on the Monarch thread running under SLF etc that any Monarch aircraft is likely to be impounded by creditors as soon as it touches down outside the UK....... that's whythe CAA has to organise other sources......
Someone pointed out on the Monarch thread running under SLF etc that any Monarch aircraft is likely to be impounded by creditors as soon as it touches down outside the UK....... that's whythe CAA has to organise other sources......
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Illegal, basically. Various local state governments and national government carving something up with Lufthansa.
EU at it’s worst. Brits tends to do it by the book - some other EU countries use the book when it suits them.
CAA have done exactly what they are paid to do.
Fault is with the incompetent management at Monarch, Greybull and the Mantegazza family.
Superb staff - let down badly by the former and current owners.
EU at it’s worst. Brits tends to do it by the book - some other EU countries use the book when it suits them.
CAA have done exactly what they are paid to do.
Fault is with the incompetent management at Monarch, Greybull and the Mantegazza family.
Superb staff - let down badly by the former and current owners.
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Lots of high praise being thrown around here which didn't happen in the air berlin thread.
So to stop me getting confused can someone please identify what great innovative idea monarch brought to aviation that made them so good?
So to stop me getting confused can someone please identify what great innovative idea monarch brought to aviation that made them so good?
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Sadly Monarch's demise is the result of a devalued pound caused by Brexit.
Even more sadly the jobs lost will be the first of many in the UK Airline, Airport and Aviation industry as we progress down this fool hardy route.
Even more sadly the jobs lost will be the first of many in the UK Airline, Airport and Aviation industry as we progress down this fool hardy route.
I know that this view will not be at all popular but:
1. Monarch were close to collapse about a year ago and despite receiving a £165 million cash injection they have burned up the cash and have now gone bust.
2. Ryanair are still in business and are making loads of money.
Conclusion: There must have been something fundamentally wrong with Monarch and something fundamentally right with Ryanair.
1. Monarch were close to collapse about a year ago and despite receiving a £165 million cash injection they have burned up the cash and have now gone bust.
2. Ryanair are still in business and are making loads of money.
Conclusion: There must have been something fundamentally wrong with Monarch and something fundamentally right with Ryanair.
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Very sad that Monarch have gone. I always enjoyed flying with them and don't recall ever having any issues. All the staff were always very professional and courteous, and their safety record is a testament to their operation.
Just goes to show, it can happen to the best of them..... knowing one of the Cabin Crew who lost her job this morning, and is understandably devastated, I wish all their employees well for the future.....Good Luck !
Just goes to show, it can happen to the best of them..... knowing one of the Cabin Crew who lost her job this morning, and is understandably devastated, I wish all their employees well for the future.....Good Luck !
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I believe the Mantegazza family were unintentionally 'steering' Monarch steadily towards the 'rocks' before Greybull acquired the airline although the last three years under their control the situation has only got worse with the upsetting news we've all woken up to today with an official announcement regarding the final demise of Monarch a true end of an era in British aviation.
The "root cause" of Monarch's reduction in revenue was terror attacks in Egypt and Tunisia as well as the "decimation" of Turkey, according to the company's boss.
any dip in the water with long haul would have never worked either sadly Monarch fell at the last hurdle
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I know that this view will not be at all popular but:
1. Monarch were close to collapse about a year ago and despite receiving a £165 million cash injection they have burned up the cash and have now gone bust.
2. Ryanair are still in business and are making loads of money.
Conclusion: There must have been something fundamentally wrong with Monarch and something fundamentally right with Ryanair.
1. Monarch were close to collapse about a year ago and despite receiving a £165 million cash injection they have burned up the cash and have now gone bust.
2. Ryanair are still in business and are making loads of money.
Conclusion: There must have been something fundamentally wrong with Monarch and something fundamentally right with Ryanair.
Obviously Keith your view is not at all popular. The reason it's not popular is that Ryanair is successful because it has used unfair practices to drive good quality Airlines out of business. Those practices are numerous and well documented.
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monarch's demise was in the main due to the turmoil of Egypt Tunisia and Turkey markets - and the loss of tour operators going bust too that were close to monarch in those markets
any dip in the water with long haul would have never worked either sadly Monarch fell at the last hurdle
any dip in the water with long haul would have never worked either sadly Monarch fell at the last hurdle
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I have to laugh. Until people decide to broaden their opinion on 'pricing' to include more than the bottom line, Ryanair will continue to prosper. O'Leary is not unusual, so far he's simply been better at playing the game than the other sharks.
I have to laugh. Until people decide to broaden their opinion on 'pricing' to include more than the bottom line, Ryanair will continue to prosper. O'Leary is not unusual, so far he's simply been better at playing the game than the other sharks.
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I was wondering that. The answer is that their innovative idea was charter flights taking package holiday clients to the Costa del Red Barrel in the 1970s. But more recently when I've seen their aircraft at airports I've been thinking "gosh, do they still exist? I wonder why?". Apparently I wasn't the only one.
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Having been involved with management at Virgin Express in the late 90's, I can assure you that it's not a game. I agree that he is an extremely manipulative shark that has taken advantage of the many loopholes in European law which have come about as a result of an integrating system which has many parts and is not actually integrated. He has had the advantage of being able to apply pressure to the Irish government and it's regulator to give it further advantages. Sadly Ryanair will continue to prosper.
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Allegedly a succession of poor senior management decisions over around the last ten years certainly did not help Monarch plot a comfortable path forward.