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The views of an interested outsider here...
Is noise pollution not going to be an issue? The peaceful natural environment is Alderney's main attraction to visitors (like me last summer!). The Dorniers are a little noisy but the noise is not half as pervasive as that of an EC-155. And as has been mentioned, freight costs on a heli must be eye-watering!
They seem to be having difficulties getting access to the UK and France markets with 2-reg aircraft. I'm not an expert on this stuff, but if so why not just get their aircraft G-reged?
By coincidence, Isles of Scilly Travel announced yesterday that they are starting a heli service from Land's End to St Mary's (and thus increasing noise pollution in this year's holiday destination
). I'm struggling to see the benefits of heli over fixed wing...
Is noise pollution not going to be an issue? The peaceful natural environment is Alderney's main attraction to visitors (like me last summer!). The Dorniers are a little noisy but the noise is not half as pervasive as that of an EC-155. And as has been mentioned, freight costs on a heli must be eye-watering!
They seem to be having difficulties getting access to the UK and France markets with 2-reg aircraft. I'm not an expert on this stuff, but if so why not just get their aircraft G-reged?
By coincidence, Isles of Scilly Travel announced yesterday that they are starting a heli service from Land's End to St Mary's (and thus increasing noise pollution in this year's holiday destination
). I'm struggling to see the benefits of heli over fixed wing...
Last edited by jensdad; 16th Feb 2018 at 18:56. Reason: Sarcastic smiley replaced with a less annoying one.
Noise pollution ? Yes, but I don’t think that there will be so many flights operated that this will be a serious problem. More to the point, what a way to establish a profitable new service - not ! If Air Alderney were intent on setting themselves up to fail, they couldn’t have thought of a better way to do it than using a helicopter instead of a BN2 !
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It appears to be just to St. Mary's but the website isn't too clear. Not sure if we're allowed to post links to commercial websites here, but it's on the 'Isles of Scilly Travel' website, there's a tab at the top entitled 'Helicopter'.
Sorry for thread drift!
Sorry for thread drift!
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Must be a new just eat service starting up with the helicopter or a very expensive bag of jersey royals saying that the recent curry takeaway service to France from Portland anything can happen
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Regarding the recent 'curry takeaway service' to France your referring to it was from Lee on Solent to an airport near Bordeaux unless I'm mistaken and there was a similar one by helicopter from Portland to France I'm unaware of.
From the Air Alderney Facebook page today
https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net...a7&oe=5B366B67
Air Alderney Ltd
3 hrs ·
Press Release 06/04/18
We are pleased to advise that our Alderney to Lee-on-Solent and Guernsey to Alderney route licences have been approved.
We would like to take this opportunity to thank all of you who wrote in support of our applications for these routes.
We have been able to re-arrange our meeting with Jersey Airport which was initially cancelled due to the snow fall.
Whilst Jersey Airport are keen to accommodate Air Alderney it is clear that the applicable airport charges which will be incurred due to our aircraft arriving from Alderney which does not have the CAA recommended security screening, will be high. We are therefore working with the relevant authorities on how best these charges can be revised so that they are not applied to the fare/passenger.
We are also still liaising with the Guernsey Authorities in order to establish a check in area at Alderney Airport. Due to the length of time this is taking, we are sadly and rather frustratingly unable to confirm start dates of our operations as without a check in desk we cannot accommodate our passengers.
Once the location of the check in area is agreed by the Guernsey Authorities, we will need some time to equip this area accordingly.
Further to speculation resulting from a recent article; We would further like to take this opportunity to clarify that our BN2-T Islander Aircraft have been inspected by both the CAA and 2-REG and are fully compliant with all regulations resulting in the aircraft holding all relevant documentation.
On a more positive note, one of our aircraft will be returning to base in the coming weeks which will see the commencement of our ‘soft launch’. Our flight crew will be busy familiarising themselves with the routes and destination airports during this time.
We would like to thank the States of Alderney for their assistance in issuing our route licences.
Once again, we cannot thank you enough for all your support. It is taking longer than expected but please know that we are still 100% committed and we will get there
https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net...a7&oe=5B366B67
Air Alderney Ltd
3 hrs ·
Press Release 06/04/18
We are pleased to advise that our Alderney to Lee-on-Solent and Guernsey to Alderney route licences have been approved.
We would like to take this opportunity to thank all of you who wrote in support of our applications for these routes.
We have been able to re-arrange our meeting with Jersey Airport which was initially cancelled due to the snow fall.
Whilst Jersey Airport are keen to accommodate Air Alderney it is clear that the applicable airport charges which will be incurred due to our aircraft arriving from Alderney which does not have the CAA recommended security screening, will be high. We are therefore working with the relevant authorities on how best these charges can be revised so that they are not applied to the fare/passenger.
We are also still liaising with the Guernsey Authorities in order to establish a check in area at Alderney Airport. Due to the length of time this is taking, we are sadly and rather frustratingly unable to confirm start dates of our operations as without a check in desk we cannot accommodate our passengers.
Once the location of the check in area is agreed by the Guernsey Authorities, we will need some time to equip this area accordingly.
Further to speculation resulting from a recent article; We would further like to take this opportunity to clarify that our BN2-T Islander Aircraft have been inspected by both the CAA and 2-REG and are fully compliant with all regulations resulting in the aircraft holding all relevant documentation.
On a more positive note, one of our aircraft will be returning to base in the coming weeks which will see the commencement of our ‘soft launch’. Our flight crew will be busy familiarising themselves with the routes and destination airports during this time.
We would like to thank the States of Alderney for their assistance in issuing our route licences.
Once again, we cannot thank you enough for all your support. It is taking longer than expected but please know that we are still 100% committed and we will get there
Here on the other side of 50N its very quiet at Lee on Solent (aka Solent Airport). No ATC or AFIS (just Air/Ground), no instrument approach procedures and apparently no security infrastructure to support scheduled public transport flights. Who is going to pay for these? Hopefully the cost will not go on to my council tax bill!
I could be tempted to speculate on pigs may fly, but remember that they did at Lee on Solent not so long ago!
I could be tempted to speculate on pigs may fly, but remember that they did at Lee on Solent not so long ago!
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Here on the other side of 50N its very quiet at Lee on Solent (aka Solent Airport). No ATC or AFIS (just Air/Ground), no instrument approach procedures and apparently no security infrastructure to support scheduled public transport flights. Who is going to pay for these? Hopefully the cost will not go on to my council tax bill!
I could be tempted to speculate on pigs may fly, but remember that they did at Lee on Solent not so long ago!
I could be tempted to speculate on pigs may fly, but remember that they did at Lee on Solent not so long ago!
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G-BJED departed in front of me from Biggin earlier this week. Didn't catch where it was off to but it's been around and about these last few weeks. No news besides
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It is interesting to see that according to G-INFO the a/c is owned by Islander Aircraft Ltd, Cumbernauld, and is currently offered for sale on Cormack's website.
The maintenance programme on the Islander and Trislander is such that anything other than very short sectors is a no-no. Alderney-London (regardless of the airport!) is a complete no-hoper.
TCAS FAN, there is no requirement for security on an aircraft of less than 10t MTOW (which the Islander is by a long way). If commercial services from Lee on Solent were to be launched, they could be flown VFR and with no security, subject to a safety case for both - provided that the airfield remains licensed as it is today. No need for taxpayer involvement!
TCAS FAN, there is no requirement for security on an aircraft of less than 10t MTOW (which the Islander is by a long way). If commercial services from Lee on Solent were to be launched, they could be flown VFR and with no security, subject to a safety case for both - provided that the airfield remains licensed as it is today. No need for taxpayer involvement!
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The maintenance programme on the Islander and Trislander is such that anything other than very short sectors is a no-no. Alderney-London (regardless of the airport!) is a complete no-hoper.
TCAS FAN, there is no requirement for security on an aircraft of less than 10t MTOW (which the Islander is by a long way). If commercial services from Lee on Solent were to be launched, they could be flown VFR and with no security, subject to a safety case for both - provided that the airfield remains licensed as it is today. No need for taxpayer involvement!
TCAS FAN, there is no requirement for security on an aircraft of less than 10t MTOW (which the Islander is by a long way). If commercial services from Lee on Solent were to be launched, they could be flown VFR and with no security, subject to a safety case for both - provided that the airfield remains licensed as it is today. No need for taxpayer involvement!
I stand corrected on the security issue. With the changeable UK weather, in the absence of IAP cannot see that a VFR ony operation is going to be a commercially viable operation.
