CAA Provisional Airport Stats
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I don't lose sleep over it but it does need to be made clear. It's a disgraceful hiding of the facts in a society that tries to hoodwink the populous.
July stats are available on the CAA website - if there is nothing showing for certain airports, I would suspect that's more down to the airport than the CAA (which of course feeds into certain agenda's.... 
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So the openness, accountability, accuracy and promptness of the important statistics has now been lost.
The people who do need to know these stats are the Public - that's who airports predominantly move. The Public would like to know if private airports and private airlines are being propped up in exactly the same way the Public like to be kept informed about failing schools and hospitals etc.
We have gone backwards in time in terms of accountability. Wanting openness and accountability is not about having an agenda.
What we can all agree on is that the airports (up until this year) used to promptly pass their statistics on just fine for 100s of consecutive months.
The people who do need to know these stats are the Public - that's who airports predominantly move. The Public would like to know if private airports and private airlines are being propped up in exactly the same way the Public like to be kept informed about failing schools and hospitals etc.
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without getting into the usual bickering tennis match with spotters -
Of course the statistics could be made available just as they always have been (on time and the vast majority accurate and without issue).
In other words is it an accident that we have gone backwards in time? No of course it isn't. Too much information for the Public is a dangerous thing for those in charge.
I want to know, before booking, why my CDG flight only had 22 people on board before I book that flight again (for example). Information like that though can tip the balance in very dog eat dog and precarious industry [which the last few weeks has highlighted).
We have gone backwards in time.
In other words is it an accident that we have gone backwards in time? No of course it isn't. Too much information for the Public is a dangerous thing for those in charge.
I want to know, before booking, why my CDG flight only had 22 people on board before I book that flight again (for example). Information like that though can tip the balance in very dog eat dog and precarious industry [which the last few weeks has highlighted).
We have gone backwards in time.
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Multi million ££ carriageways to airports that cannot repeatedly make a Belfast service work. The real world.
Can somebody point me to this golden age when the CAA stats turned up every month on time and complete?
Funnily enough, all I seem to remember from before this years hiatus is moans about them being late and incomplete..
Funnily enough, all I seem to remember from before this years hiatus is moans about them being late and incomplete..
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For goodness sake - there is no conspiracy just a monumental cock-up by the CAA for which nobody yet seems to have been held accountable.
The CAA made a botched attempt to privatise the service last April.Against the advice of many airports they sent the system live despite it being inadequately thought through, poorly specified and insufficiently tested.
Airports have been struggling to file their data since the off, those with huge resources to draw on are managing better than those run on a shoe string, some appear to have given up completely.
Most of the staff at the CAA who used to check, query and correct the data under the old system were made redundant in May, which is why they cannot go back to the old system (which for all its minor faults still delivered most information in a timely manner).
This whole fiasco will have great educational value in the future as text book case study of "How not to implement an IT data project".
The CAA made a botched attempt to privatise the service last April.Against the advice of many airports they sent the system live despite it being inadequately thought through, poorly specified and insufficiently tested.
Airports have been struggling to file their data since the off, those with huge resources to draw on are managing better than those run on a shoe string, some appear to have given up completely.
Most of the staff at the CAA who used to check, query and correct the data under the old system were made redundant in May, which is why they cannot go back to the old system (which for all its minor faults still delivered most information in a timely manner).
This whole fiasco will have great educational value in the future as text book case study of "How not to implement an IT data project".
We have gone backwards in time.
If staff - who did their jobs well - have been sacked, then rehire them tomorrow morning. The information we are getting now is a disgrace and not acceptable. Most private companies at the failing airports / airlines do not want Joe Public to be able to see these figures at a very critical time in history when we exactly need to. These are very basic statistics and so no I don't believe this is just a 'cock up' going on month after month. All too convenient to label these deliberate plans as 'cock ups'!
LA - if these are private businesses (as you state), why are you entitled to see these operating details? For what purpose? Do you apply this level of scrutiny to any other business?
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So yes I would like to see which projects etc are working and which are being given a helping hand with my money. Taking away theses figures takes away, in some part, the ability of the public to make informed choices.
If you are not bothered swbkcb that is just fine but I (and many other people) would like access to this very basic data. It really is a very straight forward principle.
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It's over to the caa to sort it out in the morning! Make these stats promptly available just as you do so with CAP168! Funny how there is no 'cock up' with the accuracy of this document!?
We are talking very very basic figures of how many souls are sitting on a jet!
We are talking very very basic figures of how many souls are sitting on a jet!
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Firstly , I doubt more than 0.1 % of the general population know these figures exist , let alone use them in deciding their travel habits.
What conclusions can be drawn from average passengers per flight on an individual route ? We have no yield information and no cost information and we don't know what the objectives of the airline or airport are .
An airline may be happy with a middle of the day operated route averaging 25 pax per flight if it iis covering operating costs and make at least some contribution to overheads.At the same time it may not be happy with a route averaging 80 pax per flt ,if that route doesn't cover the cost of owning or leasing an aircraft to operate a peak Service.
Airlines like easyjet , Ryanair, BA use sophisticated models to ensure they don't fly empty seats. This involves adjusting fares to provide the required demand.
In the longer term if the airline is having to junk yields in order to fill the flights , the route won't survive .You can't tell from average loads alone if a route is successful or not. The fact that a route is averaging the same number of pax per flt as the same time last year doesn't mean it's producing the same result.They may have cut average yield 20 % to fill the same number of seats as they did last year.
Similarly routes with the same average loads may have very different results depending on yield , exchange rate , costs.
I am interested in the CAA statistics but to suggest there is some conspiracy to conceal info ,or to suggest the general public should use this figures to police actions is OTT . the airlines and airports make their own commercial decisions based on all the facts and figures they have access to.
What conclusions can be drawn from average passengers per flight on an individual route ? We have no yield information and no cost information and we don't know what the objectives of the airline or airport are .
An airline may be happy with a middle of the day operated route averaging 25 pax per flight if it iis covering operating costs and make at least some contribution to overheads.At the same time it may not be happy with a route averaging 80 pax per flt ,if that route doesn't cover the cost of owning or leasing an aircraft to operate a peak Service.
Airlines like easyjet , Ryanair, BA use sophisticated models to ensure they don't fly empty seats. This involves adjusting fares to provide the required demand.
In the longer term if the airline is having to junk yields in order to fill the flights , the route won't survive .You can't tell from average loads alone if a route is successful or not. The fact that a route is averaging the same number of pax per flt as the same time last year doesn't mean it's producing the same result.They may have cut average yield 20 % to fill the same number of seats as they did last year.
Similarly routes with the same average loads may have very different results depending on yield , exchange rate , costs.
I am interested in the CAA statistics but to suggest there is some conspiracy to conceal info ,or to suggest the general public should use this figures to police actions is OTT . the airlines and airports make their own commercial decisions based on all the facts and figures they have access to.
Don't worry Yorkshire's very own version of Victor Meldrew is getting out in the morning - straight down to CAA, and I wouldn't like to be in their shoes when they open the doors (queue multiple shouts of "I don't believe it !!) 😃
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