Where is BA "The World's Favourite" in the top 100 World Airlines 2015?
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Where is BA "The World's Favourite" in the top 100 World Airlines 2015?
Hardly surprising they keep dropping, they need to have a serious adjustment all round to even start to think about competing on a worldwide stage.
Flight crew attitudes, quality of service, quality of food, etc, etc
Flight crew attitudes, quality of service, quality of food, etc, etc
Flight crew attitudes
I do hope that's not what you meant
We take "Flight crew" to mean the Pilots whereas "cabin crew" would be the staff looking after the passengers..
Care to elaborate?
Where is BA "The World's Favourite" in the top 100 World Airlines 2015?
If you're talking about the Skytrax awards, they are generally considered a bit of a joke across the industry: The World's Top 100 Airlines for 2015
But whether you value them or not, the answer to your question is that BA come in at #20.
But whether you value them or not, the answer to your question is that BA come in at #20.
Being the world's favorite airline has become less important than simple survival, but without a long term strategy, that will be difficult.
I'm just astounded that the people in the airline industry remain oblivious to the experience of the shipping industry. There too we had national flag carriers, now largely gone, displaced by 'flags of convenience'. The industry has shaken down to maybe three or four largish cruise lines, similar numbers of big container lines and a bunch of bulk carrier lessors.
There is no reason the airlines will not rationalize similarly, so one would expect the survivors to be Etihad like carriers with EasyJet cost and pay structures. The TPP and its associated services trade agreement look to eliminate national carrier preferences, so the industry evolution should accelerate during the remainder of this decade. I'd expect financially strong partners from Asia to become increasingly dominant under this process.
I'm just astounded that the people in the airline industry remain oblivious to the experience of the shipping industry. There too we had national flag carriers, now largely gone, displaced by 'flags of convenience'. The industry has shaken down to maybe three or four largish cruise lines, similar numbers of big container lines and a bunch of bulk carrier lessors.
There is no reason the airlines will not rationalize similarly, so one would expect the survivors to be Etihad like carriers with EasyJet cost and pay structures. The TPP and its associated services trade agreement look to eliminate national carrier preferences, so the industry evolution should accelerate during the remainder of this decade. I'd expect financially strong partners from Asia to become increasingly dominant under this process.
Assuming TPP goes ahead. Opposition on this side of the pond is growing rapidly.
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DaveReidUk, yes #20 down from #17 last year, maybe wrong to be defending a decline to #20?
Middle Eastern and Far East carriers knock spots off these guys year on year, concerning as to where it could be going.
Middle Eastern and Far East carriers knock spots off these guys year on year, concerning as to where it could be going.
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Off topic alert!
...I know.
And I can't be the only one who opposes this re-branding. Our OPS manuals also reflect this bollux. The terms used to be interchangeable:
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...H9fDBIp8mNrzFQ
If you mean pilots, why not say pilots.
We take "Flight crew" to mean the Pilots
And I can't be the only one who opposes this re-branding. Our OPS manuals also reflect this bollux. The terms used to be interchangeable:
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...H9fDBIp8mNrzFQ
If you mean pilots, why not say pilots.
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IAG still making £1billion per year. I don't think anyone need lose any sleep at the UK's consumer and business Suoerbrand of 2014 and 2015? Or best airline, as voted for by business traveller awards 2014.
(Where have you been since the first of your 4 posts, 10 years ago esra?)
(Where have you been since the first of your 4 posts, 10 years ago esra?)
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BA..
Tired old 744s.. I used to ask the company to book me BA when possible but those days are gone.. now I try to avoid them. I can't select my seat until within 24 hrs of the flight.. unless I choose to pay extra (Emirates, no such problem)..I have a large bunch of air-miles with BA that I'm told I'm unable to use on flights I select, can't upgrade with them when requested.. they're pretty much useless..The last few times I've flown BA the entertainment screens were problematic, not just mine but also many of those around me, just worn out and the movie selection was very limited. On my last 744 flight some of the interior trim was hanging down..
I've no idea what the short-haul fleet is like but the 747 operation is in urgent need of an overhaul. I have no issues with the cabin staff, always professional and efficient.
Only saving grace is that BA are still way better than any of the US airlines I sometimes get stuck with.
Tired old 744s.. I used to ask the company to book me BA when possible but those days are gone.. now I try to avoid them. I can't select my seat until within 24 hrs of the flight.. unless I choose to pay extra (Emirates, no such problem)..I have a large bunch of air-miles with BA that I'm told I'm unable to use on flights I select, can't upgrade with them when requested.. they're pretty much useless..The last few times I've flown BA the entertainment screens were problematic, not just mine but also many of those around me, just worn out and the movie selection was very limited. On my last 744 flight some of the interior trim was hanging down..
I've no idea what the short-haul fleet is like but the 747 operation is in urgent need of an overhaul. I have no issues with the cabin staff, always professional and efficient.
Only saving grace is that BA are still way better than any of the US airlines I sometimes get stuck with.
Agree with Mungo Tired old 744s & also very tired 763s.
Going east it's QR or EK for me, a very easy choice.
A friend recently flew on BAs new A380 & remarked on what a huge disappointment it was - she is a regular Emirates A380 pax. I'm off to Calgary this week-end- the choice was a BA 25year+ B763 or an 18 month old Air Canada 777 via YVR.
US wise, Delta crews usually make up for their poor equipment, but BA would beat any of the other US carriers (just).
For me, I'd love Emirates to take on some UK transatlantics- now that really would shake up the market.
Going east it's QR or EK for me, a very easy choice.
A friend recently flew on BAs new A380 & remarked on what a huge disappointment it was - she is a regular Emirates A380 pax. I'm off to Calgary this week-end- the choice was a BA 25year+ B763 or an 18 month old Air Canada 777 via YVR.
US wise, Delta crews usually make up for their poor equipment, but BA would beat any of the other US carriers (just).
For me, I'd love Emirates to take on some UK transatlantics- now that really would shake up the market.
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Mr A Tis would like to shake up the market thanks to airlines who fire women when they get pregnant. Turning a blind eye makes life so easy. He likes to be pay as little as possible whatever the cost for others...
Don't worry Mr A Tis, nobody will be crying over your company's tumb when some chinese company will have damaged it so badly it won't recover. That will be a mere "market shake up" too.
Don't worry Mr A Tis, nobody will be crying over your company's tumb when some chinese company will have damaged it so badly it won't recover. That will be a mere "market shake up" too.
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skytrax reviews
From this suspiciously glowing skytrax review of a uk carrier
Flight deck?? (my bold)
clearly an inside job!
21st March O/B - 28th March I/B - BHX to SSH. Both flights were great paid £15 each for extra leg room both ways and what a difference for a 5 hour flight it makes. Both Aircraft were clean and the crew friendly yet professional. Flight deck informative on both sectors and departed on time and arrived early both ways. Only gripe was the check-in at Sharm it was slow and chaotic. But other than that two great flights ******* Airlines have my business again for the future they are way ahead than Thomas Cook and Thomson.
clearly an inside job!
FRying - you assume too much. For me Emirates is often more expensive than using say LX or LH - but to me, worth it. I never mentioned price or fares just equipment & service.
It is up to our European & American carriers to improve what they offer. As has been stated IAG, make £1bn a year- so what's the excuse?
It is up to our European & American carriers to improve what they offer. As has been stated IAG, make £1bn a year- so what's the excuse?
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It's quite easy to undercut the market when the same family owns the aircraft, the airport, the oil wells, the refineries. The same family who control the slots, the navigation rights, the employment conditions, the housing and the immigration visa issue.
The company that treats it's staff like slaves, insists on ludicrously outdated working practices and backs them up with surveillance that would make the Stasi from the cold war proud (obviously hiding the thermal imaging equipment in a gold Rolls Royce rather than a Trabant). I have colleagues and friends who work out there and are desperately trying to get out, it's going to be an interesting summer for the Gulf carriers!
A company that doesn't have to contend with anti aviation Governments, lack of runway space due to feckless, chinless politicians who couldn't make a decision if their lives depended upon it. Taxed to the hilt on a green 'premise' whilst those same said green taxes go to prop up an ever increasing Government spend.
It will be an interesting couple of years for Lufthansa and Air France/KLM as they struggle with the ever diminishing returns that the aviation sector is bring in with the European pounding that the industry is getting from the Green brigade whilst the Middle East and the Asia sectors continue to expand in the light of relaxed regulations.
Crews becoming tired and fatigued as EASA screws scientifically proven rostering in favour of a one glove fits all approach and the Airline execs can screw more working hours out of their crews. Schedules must be kept but those pesky pilots things are too expensive so we'll over utiise what we've got in an atmosphere of fear of job loss if they don't cover the work. Remember Colgan? Where the Co-Pilot earned less than a hotel dish washer and couldn't afford to live where she worked? Good job the tickets were cheap.
Yet despite all this passengers still want tickets across the pond for less than the return train fare to Newcastle from London, oh, and a flat bed, oh, and champagne, oh and a full meal service etc. etc. etc.
Something has to give to keep the prices low and the employees have just about been reamed out as far as they will go.
So, whilst BA has made some hard, and occasionally poor, choices in their service delivery they are still chugging along in the face of unfair, global competition and for the passenger it is, obviously, a free market. Fly with who you will, personally I wouldn't touch the Gulf carriers out of principle but then I'm not much longer for this industry. Thankfully.
The company that treats it's staff like slaves, insists on ludicrously outdated working practices and backs them up with surveillance that would make the Stasi from the cold war proud (obviously hiding the thermal imaging equipment in a gold Rolls Royce rather than a Trabant). I have colleagues and friends who work out there and are desperately trying to get out, it's going to be an interesting summer for the Gulf carriers!
A company that doesn't have to contend with anti aviation Governments, lack of runway space due to feckless, chinless politicians who couldn't make a decision if their lives depended upon it. Taxed to the hilt on a green 'premise' whilst those same said green taxes go to prop up an ever increasing Government spend.
It will be an interesting couple of years for Lufthansa and Air France/KLM as they struggle with the ever diminishing returns that the aviation sector is bring in with the European pounding that the industry is getting from the Green brigade whilst the Middle East and the Asia sectors continue to expand in the light of relaxed regulations.
Crews becoming tired and fatigued as EASA screws scientifically proven rostering in favour of a one glove fits all approach and the Airline execs can screw more working hours out of their crews. Schedules must be kept but those pesky pilots things are too expensive so we'll over utiise what we've got in an atmosphere of fear of job loss if they don't cover the work. Remember Colgan? Where the Co-Pilot earned less than a hotel dish washer and couldn't afford to live where she worked? Good job the tickets were cheap.
Yet despite all this passengers still want tickets across the pond for less than the return train fare to Newcastle from London, oh, and a flat bed, oh, and champagne, oh and a full meal service etc. etc. etc.
Something has to give to keep the prices low and the employees have just about been reamed out as far as they will go.
So, whilst BA has made some hard, and occasionally poor, choices in their service delivery they are still chugging along in the face of unfair, global competition and for the passenger it is, obviously, a free market. Fly with who you will, personally I wouldn't touch the Gulf carriers out of principle but then I'm not much longer for this industry. Thankfully.
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Comparing BA to the dinosaur airlines in the US is unfair to all parties.
Sure, the crappy and clapped-out pre-CrippleSeven and Dreadliner Boeings in BA's fleet are an embarassment, but BA has been on the downslide for decades/generations now. They can only go lower.
The slogan "worlds favourite airline" was well dodgy even when the ad execs thought up that thoroughly mendacious claim. That was nigh on thirty years ago. The world (except America) has moved on since then.
Sure, the crappy and clapped-out pre-CrippleSeven and Dreadliner Boeings in BA's fleet are an embarassment, but BA has been on the downslide for decades/generations now. They can only go lower.
The slogan "worlds favourite airline" was well dodgy even when the ad execs thought up that thoroughly mendacious claim. That was nigh on thirty years ago. The world (except America) has moved on since then.
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Somebody once equated "The World's Favourite Airline" with the M25 being "The World's Favourite Motorway"
It has to be said that the new competition from the middle and far eastern airlines takes some beating.
It has to be said that the new competition from the middle and far eastern airlines takes some beating.