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I am sure said issues will be resolved in time 
The trouble with the very system in which we live is that labour is demanded at times that are not convenient to the person who is providing said labour. Age-old capitalims-vs.communism debate :P
The trouble with the very system in which we live is that labour is demanded at times that are not convenient to the person who is providing said labour. Age-old capitalims-vs.communism debate :P
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I see another trying morning.
I could not help noticing the cancellations (ten noted network wide) and delays at BHX this morning and it is only just midday.
15% of the Dash fleet not flying this morning and in peak summer months this seems a little bit poor. Also 3 jets noted as on the ground and a 4th only flew for the first time at 11.52 - two 195's and two 175's (one 175 just got airborne on its first flight of the day).
I assume tech issues rather than crewing or weather related?
Although not a 100% reliable FR24 had 7 Q400's having not flown up until midday - one since 27 July (EXT), another 29 July (BHX), another 24 July (GCI), the others since early yesterday (MAN, BHD, SOU & BHX). I make that 15% of the fleet.
The two 195's not flying seem to show one at Manchester since 25/7 and BHX since 29/07 and the 175 at BHX since last night.
Therefore at one point today 17% of the fleet was not operating although with only ten cancellations and a few delays I presume not all 10 grounded aircraft were due to be flying.
NB. This is not counting two Q400's that started to fly late morning and the one in the paint shop.
I noticed that the cancellations were not so bad yesterday but I assume no desire for aircraft substitutions? (some have been available at times).
Update: One 195 and the other 175 which was not in service have been used from BHX this afternoon but still one more cancellation showing this evening.
Pete
I could not help noticing the cancellations (ten noted network wide) and delays at BHX this morning and it is only just midday.
15% of the Dash fleet not flying this morning and in peak summer months this seems a little bit poor. Also 3 jets noted as on the ground and a 4th only flew for the first time at 11.52 - two 195's and two 175's (one 175 just got airborne on its first flight of the day).
I assume tech issues rather than crewing or weather related?
Although not a 100% reliable FR24 had 7 Q400's having not flown up until midday - one since 27 July (EXT), another 29 July (BHX), another 24 July (GCI), the others since early yesterday (MAN, BHD, SOU & BHX). I make that 15% of the fleet.
The two 195's not flying seem to show one at Manchester since 25/7 and BHX since 29/07 and the 175 at BHX since last night.
Therefore at one point today 17% of the fleet was not operating although with only ten cancellations and a few delays I presume not all 10 grounded aircraft were due to be flying.
NB. This is not counting two Q400's that started to fly late morning and the one in the paint shop.
I noticed that the cancellations were not so bad yesterday but I assume no desire for aircraft substitutions? (some have been available at times).
Update: One 195 and the other 175 which was not in service have been used from BHX this afternoon but still one more cancellation showing this evening.
Pete
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Regarding the winter schedule is that all the flights released now ?
Just wondering about the ski routes they tend to operate to places like Lyon , Grenoble , Salzburg etc from some of the regional airports at the weekend seems rather late in the day now to put them on sale if they at all intend to ?
Just wondering about the ski routes they tend to operate to places like Lyon , Grenoble , Salzburg etc from some of the regional airports at the weekend seems rather late in the day now to put them on sale if they at all intend to ?
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I was one of the victims of yesterday's cancellations and delays. Manchester flights were chaotic, and we were told due to staffing issues and tech problems, although this was far from clear. Stood in queues for several hours at IOM airport. Trying again today. Lots of unhappy passengers being forced to miss onward flights.
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Certainly in the IOM it was just an unfortunate afternoon. Only one cancellation which was the MAN and a few delays in the evening sectors.
You only need an hour delay for it to mess up onward connection plans and with the exception of the STN the delays in the evening were mostly an hour give or take a few minutes. Delays therefore were not excessive, just a few at the same time and on routes where delays can be more inconvenient than others.
BHX was a similar story in that apart from the morning EDI was cancelled. It went a bit messy in the afternoon....I suspect some link to the late morning EGC which had an hour delay didn't help and caused a knock on delay to other sectors. On a Saturday at most airports if you start of with a small delay it just grows and grows.
MAN had more cancellations so was worst hit during the day. Two IOM sectors, a DUS and some others were cancelled.
The majority of the day in SOU and BHD was trouble free with the odd delay here and there which I suspect was caused by aircraft changes to assist with the wider network problems.
EXT and BOH was trouble free all day and CWL only had one minor delay.
You only need an hour delay for it to mess up onward connection plans and with the exception of the STN the delays in the evening were mostly an hour give or take a few minutes. Delays therefore were not excessive, just a few at the same time and on routes where delays can be more inconvenient than others.
BHX was a similar story in that apart from the morning EDI was cancelled. It went a bit messy in the afternoon....I suspect some link to the late morning EGC which had an hour delay didn't help and caused a knock on delay to other sectors. On a Saturday at most airports if you start of with a small delay it just grows and grows.
MAN had more cancellations so was worst hit during the day. Two IOM sectors, a DUS and some others were cancelled.
The majority of the day in SOU and BHD was trouble free with the odd delay here and there which I suspect was caused by aircraft changes to assist with the wider network problems.
EXT and BOH was trouble free all day and CWL only had one minor delay.
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Yes it has all started gain this morning at BHX but no cancellations as yet. Three hour inbound delay on EDI, two hour outbound but it seems that they might have taken the Inverness aircraft which now has a 150 minute delay, Biarittz just under one hour and Dusseldorf two hours.
Out of the seven Dash 8's not flying in the morning one did do a few sectors in the afternoon the other six did not move. However another couple seem to have taken the afternoon off. Two of the seven are flying today but joined by another one leaving six not flying.
I am sure flybe did a great job in terrible circumstances yesterday but it is not an isolated issue, as Thursday also saw cancellations and delays and the "best" one was the four hour delay on BHX - Newquay which was eventually operated by an aircraft returning from a training detail which started around the same time the flight was due out. Cancelling training details must be expensive compared to paying compensation to the passengers.
Again I am sure a sound commercial decision was made but it just looks bad although I doubt the passengers were aware. Also it was unfortunate it was the same plane that was on the training detail and it matched the delay. Departed BHX 11.33 arrived back at around four and out to Newquay at 16.30 - Credit FR24 and flybe website.
Are management happy with this happening so often or is the deal with Bombardier that good?
Pete
Out of the seven Dash 8's not flying in the morning one did do a few sectors in the afternoon the other six did not move. However another couple seem to have taken the afternoon off. Two of the seven are flying today but joined by another one leaving six not flying.
I am sure flybe did a great job in terrible circumstances yesterday but it is not an isolated issue, as Thursday also saw cancellations and delays and the "best" one was the four hour delay on BHX - Newquay which was eventually operated by an aircraft returning from a training detail which started around the same time the flight was due out. Cancelling training details must be expensive compared to paying compensation to the passengers.
Again I am sure a sound commercial decision was made but it just looks bad although I doubt the passengers were aware. Also it was unfortunate it was the same plane that was on the training detail and it matched the delay. Departed BHX 11.33 arrived back at around four and out to Newquay at 16.30 - Credit FR24 and flybe website.
Are management happy with this happening so often or is the deal with Bombardier that good?
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But the idiot in charge says the Trash 8 is the future of flybe... 
Funny how these things work, sack lots of loyal employees, fly
a noisy tech ridden fleet, but providing you cut costs the city
loves you...
Apparently there are no issues with the fleet, Bombardier has
fixed all the tech issues....
Funny how these things work, sack lots of loyal employees, fly
a noisy tech ridden fleet, but providing you cut costs the city
loves you...
Apparently there are no issues with the fleet, Bombardier has
fixed all the tech issues....
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Certainly in the IOM it was just an unfortunate afternoon. Only one cancellation which was the MAN and a few delays in the evening sectors.
You only need an hour delay for it to mess up onward connection plans and with the exception of the STN the delays in the evening were mostly an hour give or take a few minutes. Delays therefore were not excessive, just a few at the same time and on routes where delays can be more inconvenient than others.
BHX was a similar story in that apart from the morning EDI was cancelled. It went a bit messy in the afternoon....I suspect some link to the late morning EGC which had an hour delay didn't help and caused a knock on delay to other sectors. On a Saturday at most airports if you start of with a small delay it just grows and grows.
MAN had more cancellations so was worst hit during the day. Two IOM sectors, a DUS and some others were cancelled.
The majority of the day in SOU and BHD was trouble free with the odd delay here and there which I suspect was caused by aircraft changes to assist with the wider network problems.
EXT and BOH was trouble free all day and CWL only had one minor delay.
You only need an hour delay for it to mess up onward connection plans and with the exception of the STN the delays in the evening were mostly an hour give or take a few minutes. Delays therefore were not excessive, just a few at the same time and on routes where delays can be more inconvenient than others.
BHX was a similar story in that apart from the morning EDI was cancelled. It went a bit messy in the afternoon....I suspect some link to the late morning EGC which had an hour delay didn't help and caused a knock on delay to other sectors. On a Saturday at most airports if you start of with a small delay it just grows and grows.
MAN had more cancellations so was worst hit during the day. Two IOM sectors, a DUS and some others were cancelled.
The majority of the day in SOU and BHD was trouble free with the odd delay here and there which I suspect was caused by aircraft changes to assist with the wider network problems.
EXT and BOH was trouble free all day and CWL only had one minor delay.
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Or anyone I know! I think the problems are focused on the IOM as the Easyjet flight from Gatwick was also cancelled this morning. I flew Flybe twice a week through the winter and only had a couple of serious problems. I guess that they struggle when flights are fairly full. Anyway, the flight left just over 2 hours late: the crew weren't sure what caused the delay.
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The F-50 seat maps are currently loaded for specific IOM-MAN-IOM and IOM-STN-IOM rotations through to 30/9/2015, with the aircraft night-stopping in IOM.
It also does MAN-AMS-MAN after the early morning IOM-MAN.
After 30/9/2015 everything reverts to Q400 maps. As far as IOM is concerned, it looks like a repeat to the DAT ATR-72 arrangement from last year, albeit that covered LPL and BHX.
Represents a significant drop in capacity on STN especially, just when the EZY schedule to LGW develops the usual seasonal gaps.
It also does MAN-AMS-MAN after the early morning IOM-MAN.
After 30/9/2015 everything reverts to Q400 maps. As far as IOM is concerned, it looks like a repeat to the DAT ATR-72 arrangement from last year, albeit that covered LPL and BHX.
Represents a significant drop in capacity on STN especially, just when the EZY schedule to LGW develops the usual seasonal gaps.
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Flybe are all over the place again today with evening IOM-MAN and BHX flights badly delayed, amongst many others (Ireland and Scotland in particular).
Presumably staff will also be getting fed up with the current situation, not least the harassed ticketing staff at IOM Airport.
I've received an email from Flybe saying that the Manchester flight will be operated by VLM next week (confirming what Tonyq says above), so I hope that this is an effort to sort out the problem.
Otherwise I can see serious questions being asked by people with more influence than me.
Presumably staff will also be getting fed up with the current situation, not least the harassed ticketing staff at IOM Airport.
I've received an email from Flybe saying that the Manchester flight will be operated by VLM next week (confirming what Tonyq says above), so I hope that this is an effort to sort out the problem.
Otherwise I can see serious questions being asked by people with more influence than me.
