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Old 30th Jun 2016, 22:46
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I travelled aboard the RTM-MAN this evening and it was an E175 operation [G-FBJH]. Arrived at MAN well ahead of schedule ... the timetable is based upon FK50 ops.

Outbound yesterday morning was quite creative. Dash 8-400 [G-JECI] operated a combined Hannover and Rotterdam schedule MAN-HAJ-RTM-MAN. Whilst this solution served to avoid cancellation of MAN-RTM-MAN in the absence of the originally scheduled VLM Fokker 50, about half a dozen characters gave the crew a really hard time whingeing about the change. One fellow was still bellowing down his mobile phone with the aircraft well into the taxy-out at MAN with cabin crew beseeching him to switch it off. He did so just in time. Special mention to the cabin crew concerned for remaining calm, professional and cheerful throughout what must have been a difficult flight for them.

Slight delay at HAJ, as baggage handlers appeared unaware that this was a combined flight and offloaded RTM baggage along with that for HAJ. Affected bags had to be rescreened before being loaded again. Meanwhile, cabin crew adeptly handled HAJ-MAN passengers who were bemused to be faced by free-seating.

Good to see FlyBe going the extra mile to keep the MAN-RTM route served. It is a pity that a handful of passengers weren't more appreciative. Professional performance by the crew on the day was a credit to FlyBe. And one of those cabin attendants was on duty again today on the RTM-MAN, called in off standby. Still cheerful! One to consider for 'employee of the month', Mr Hammad? Does FlyBe have such a programme?

Well done, crew. Don't let the whingers wear you down.
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Old 1st Jul 2016, 21:30
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Can anyone help me to understand why the lunatics in Exeter are taking up a Q400 to run BHD-LPL five times daily when they are stopping the service on 31 January whilst simultaneously screwing up new routes like MAN-RTM on which they presumably think they have a future by doing things like this?

BHD-LPL must be the longest route withdrawal in history...you normally pull off a route one or two months after deciding to do so, rather than continuing to fly for nine months.

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Old 1st Jul 2016, 21:59
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Maybe Flymaybe think they can turn it around in the near future. Get the footy season underway again and the Christmas period bookings. If the route is once again gone it will be the third attempt at it from BHD with them and maybe not helping the current share price at 0.39p.
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Old 2nd Jul 2016, 03:59
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So Flightrider who's criteria is that for pulling off a route? Your own? I didn't realise there was a way to pull off a route, maybe you can show the uneducated where that's written down.
DC9_10_11 if you had any semblance of knowledge about the city you'd know why the share price is 39p rather than the nonsense you're talking about.
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Old 2nd Jul 2016, 09:06
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Originally Posted by Reversethrustset View Post
So Flightrider who's criteria is that for pulling off a route? Your own? I didn't realise there was a way to pull off a route, maybe you can show the uneducated where that's written down.
My goodness, with such a defensive response, one could be forgiven for thinking I'd struck a raw nerve. Displaying a tenuous grasp of airline economics like this hopefully isn't a sign that you work in Exeter.

It's quite straightforward really. The reasons for pulling off a route are broadly that it isn't covering its direct operating costs, so you're better off stopping as soon as possible and parking the aircraft; or that it is covering DOCs but not fixed costs, so you might keep flying until you are able to redeploy the aircraft into another market. Feel free to check out any airline business textbooks (Rigas Doganis is the most well-known author) and it will be covered in some depth. It is also a basic piece of economic theory in GCSE and A level economics about marginal costs of production and full costs, for any industry.

Once a decision has been taken to pull off a route, you then balance reputational inconvenience to passengers already booked in the short term against the losses incurred by continuing to trade in the medium term. Unless there are other factors in the equation, such as a competitor entering the market on a given date in future, a new ferry or high speed rail link which opens on a defined date or something of that nature which means a profitable route today will stop being a profitable route on that future date, you exit fairly quickly. Again, refer to any half decent airline economics textbook.

In this case, it's very odd. They have signalled an intention to pull off the route by stopping forward sales from February 1 2017. They clearly have alternate use for the aircraft given the wet leases being brought in to cover new routes but yet have an extended withdrawal period. All I can think is that it must be related in some way to a deal with LPL or BHD airports that they have to honour for a defined period of time?

Happy reading of Rigas Doganis literary output, by the way.
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Old 2nd Jul 2016, 10:58
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LPL BHD

Originally Posted by Flightrider View Post
My goodness, with such a defensive response, one could be forgiven for thinking I'd struck a raw nerve. Displaying a tenuous grasp of airline economics like this hopefully isn't a sign that you work in Exeter.

It's quite straightforward really. The reasons for pulling off a route are broadly that it isn't covering its direct operating costs, so you're better off stopping as soon as possible and parking the aircraft; or that it is covering DOCs but not fixed costs, so you might keep flying until you are able to redeploy the aircraft into another market. Feel free to check out any airline business textbooks (Rigas Doganis is the most well-known author) and it will be covered in some depth. It is also a basic piece of economic theory in GCSE and A level economics about marginal costs of production and full costs, for any industry.

Once a decision has been taken to pull off a route, you then balance reputational inconvenience to passengers already booked in the short term against the losses incurred by continuing to trade in the medium term. Unless there are other factors in the equation, such as a competitor entering the market on a given date in future, a new ferry or high speed rail link which opens on a defined date or something of that nature which means a profitable route today will stop being a profitable route on that future date, you exit fairly quickly. Again, refer to any half decent airline economics textbook.

In this case, it's very odd. They have signalled an intention to pull off the route by stopping forward sales from February 1 2017. They clearly have alternate use for the aircraft given the wet leases being brought in to cover new routes but yet have an extended withdrawal period. All I can think is that it must be related in some way to a deal with LPL or BHD airports that they have to honour for a defined period of time?

Happy reading of Rigas Doganis literary output, by the way.
It is indeed an unusually long termination period. Option 3 concerns the rumour that RYR may return to LPL from Belfast. Whether that would be affected by the recent "no new aircraft for the UK" announcement I don't know.
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Old 2nd Jul 2016, 17:07
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Each to their own however Flymaybe's foray into Bournemouth Stanstead and routes like Liverpool to Amsterdam and Belfast, only to withdraw again surely have not helped the share price. On routes in which they compete they have increased frequency only to lower load factor therefore yield could also be suffering. But no, they are great with high crew morale, drivers ain't leaving and the company are making bucket loads of money. Not
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Old 2nd Jul 2016, 17:59
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Originally Posted by DC9_10 View Post
Each to their own however Flymaybe's foray into Bournemouth Stanstead and routes like Liverpool to Amsterdam and Belfast, only to withdraw again surely have not helped the share price. On routes in which they compete they have increased frequency only to lower load factor therefore yield could also be suffering. But no, they are great with high crew morale, drivers ain't leaving and the company are making bucket loads of money. Not
It's hard to make informed conclusions without CAA data (I can only hope that the CAA transformation manager gets no bonus this year due to a total absence of communication skills). However, LPL - BHD load factor was in the mid 50 per cents when last seen. That does not equate to yield of course, but generally a load factor of that magnitude on a Dash 8 should equate to a profitable route - hence the suspicion that there are other factors at play.
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Old 4th Jul 2016, 21:23
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Very disappointed with the Manchester to Newquay service on Sunday. Delayed by over two hours because of the previous six sectors NQY - LGW return and then the cleaners didn't turn up at Manchester so the toilets were out of use. I was warned previously on this site that the flight is always delayed so why they don't adjust the schedule? ???

To cap it all, some officious woman at Newquay wouldn't let us off the plane for five minutes as they gave priority to a plane that had landed on time. So what should have been a ten minute period from landing, via baggage reclaim to car rental office, became over 30 minutes and then another 40 minutes in the rental queue.

Not impressive Flybe. Pull some weight at newquay....
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Old 4th Jul 2016, 22:17
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Any news as to what Flybe plan to use in September/October for the London City - Cardiff route after VLM's bankruptcy ?
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Old 4th Jul 2016, 22:25
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They've changed Ops to their own Q400 on the CWL LCY route.
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Old 11th Jul 2016, 11:50
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Flybe online checkin Paris and codeshare sales

It isn't possible to check-in online for Flybe flights from CDG... this seems very outdated especially given most developing country airlines manage to do so. What could be the reason? Saving money? Hard to believe it is cheaper to pay Air France staff to do it rather than online?

The problem is compounded because the codeshare they have with Air France is so erratic. I fly regularly Cardiff to Kiev. Sometimes I can buy through tickets BE/AF codeshare CWL/CDG, other times not. Sometimes they are on sale for a while, then not. When I can't, I have to buy two separate tickets and can't check luggage through, have to hope flights are on time or I am SOL, etc.

Seems weird. Tried to have Flybe respond but just got circular answers... we don't do it because we don't do it...

Would love to be illuminated...
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Old 11th Jul 2016, 20:23
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I missed a BE flight from CDG for that very reason. The train to the airport broke down and once I had arrived with a great dealy at the airport, I would probably have made it just in time if already checked in. As I had yet to check-in, I did not make the flight. Complained about that and surprisingly Flybe offered to refund my ticket.
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Old 11th Jul 2016, 20:45
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plans for BE to aquire LHR slots for domestic routes 'on hold' . Mmm. the 10 landing fee discount couldnt make the maths work unsurprisingly
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Old 20th Jul 2016, 17:15
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Summer seat sale!!

Interesting e-mail from Flybe yesterday, urging booking of a staycation in UK. It advertised 500k seats for sale in August and September for travel in UK Offering examples of Norwich, Glasgow and the Channel Islands of Jersey and Guernsey, (which are outside the uk). Political boundaries aside, assuming a Dash 8, 78 seats per flight, the 500k seats sale equates to 105 flights a day through 1st August till 30 Sep.

That's a heck of a bookings shortfall for the peak summer period!

Cuts to the schedule ahead perhaps...

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Old 20th Jul 2016, 17:31
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In the past they tried a different method to fill the seats.

"An Exeter-based airline which advertised for actors to fly backwards and forwards between Norwich and Dublin to boost passenger numbers may be penalised, airport bosses have warned.
Flybe hit on the idea when faced with losing 280,000 because it had not met a passenger target imposed by Norwich International Airport as part of a commercial deal."
Airline hiring actors for flights faces fine | News & Advice | Travel | The Independent
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Old 20th Jul 2016, 19:20
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Smoke and mirrors.
Many routes are performing well. Very well in fact.

However, advertising is advertising. Even if the email generates 100 bookings. It's 100 extra.


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Old 20th Jul 2016, 19:34
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No smoke without....

Originally Posted by cornishsimon View Post
Smoke and mirrors.
Many routes are performing well. Very well in fact.

However, advertising is advertising. Even if the email generates 100 bookings. It's 100 extra.


cs
You may be right, the smoke may indicate mirrors, or it might indicate fire. Time will tell.

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Old 20th Jul 2016, 19:38
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yes received email 6 days ago, same line 500,000 seats for sale but advertising Exeter, Newquay, Aberdeen and Edinburgh as examples, just different destinations doing the rounds, just advertising as cornishsimon said.

on another note flew Norwich - Exeter 2 times last month for work, all 4 sectors were in the 40's or 50's
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Old 20th Jul 2016, 22:11
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Flybe are using DOT LT for some of their LPL-IOM services. I only checked 25 August. There may be other dates as well.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOT_LT
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