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Old 16th Jun 2016, 12:11
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The short answer to that is NO, all they are interested in is your money
We recently flew ILY-GLA-MAN, all sectors operated by Logainair but booked through FlyBe, on purple aircraft with crew in FlyBe uniforms, FlyBe magazines in the seats, FlyBe flight numbers, FlyBe showing on the boards etc - GLA-MAN was delayed by several hours, then cancelled then the next flight delayed by equally as long due to a variety of different technical faults with various Saabs. Filed an EU261 claim with FlyBe as the operator we booked with and after sitting on it for a fortnight said sorry, nothing to do with us why not give Logainair a try. To Logainairs credit they dealt with it and issued a 1000EUR bank transfer within 48hrs.

I appreciate that as Franchise operators there will be grey areas where responsibility lies more with one that the other but when it's a very effortless integrated experience to extract money, it shouldn't be like trying to get blood from a stone and being passed around the houses trying to get any kind of support!
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Old 16th Jun 2016, 12:28
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NQY E95

I don't think the E95s are the issue.

NQY doesn't seem up to turning the aircraft around all that quickly but flybe seem to be suffering airport delays at LGW and MAN regularly on the routes into NQY.

Long ground holds. Gate issues etc at gatwick hold up the route regularly. At the end of the day they are now a very small player in the grand scheme of things at LGW, if U2 and BE are both waiting a gate. Guess who will get the gate and ground crew etc and guess who gets the remote stand and a wait for a bus ?

As for AGP-NQY. Who is the OP flying AGP-LGW with ? This schedule can actually be through ticketed via the likes of BA who offer codeshare on the BE legs which would protect your connection and allow through checking of bags.....

Won't help for this journey but for future reference

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Old 16th Jun 2016, 16:23
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Thanks for all your replies. AGP-Exeter just didn't work out plus having to then get down to Cornwall is a pain etc. Often done the AGP LGW route and then Flybe to NQY and it has worked well. I tried looking up flights with BA and Flybe through BA and the costs seemed way more than doing it as separate legs. I and using Norwegian to get to Gatwick and BA back to give me loads of time. I will pen a reply once I have done the trip. I like Flybe but only of they can hold the schedule otherwise no point may as well take the train!!
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Old 17th Jun 2016, 15:26
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You can do something with Gatwick Connects, their own scheme for people booking your own connection in case of delays. Could be worth signing up to that now.
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Old 18th Jun 2016, 19:06
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As someone who is regularly operating the NQY LGW flights at the moment I would say that the majority of delays on the route are down to LGW due mostly to capacity problems at LGW or due to weather in the London TMA, yes occasionally it'll be down to technical problems or crew shortages but generally not & the MAN route is generally suffering the knock on effects from the LGW delays.
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Old 18th Jun 2016, 20:14
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As I suggested

Pretty sad really but can't be blamed on flybe. Just annoying that it seems to happen daily.

Would I be correct in assuming that the loads on the E95 routes ex NQY are good ?


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Old 18th Jun 2016, 22:12
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Cancellations

Any reason for the BHX delays and cancellations?

Cancellations

Biarritz tomorrow - once a week service -a bit of a long wait for the next!

Bordeaux today - at least there were two of these today

Glasgow Friday but the last inbound

195's and 175's seem to do a lot of positioning,

Delays - too many to list

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Old 18th Jun 2016, 22:58
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I was on the Bordeaux service last week which was an Embraer. Thankfully it wasnt cancelled as there were alot of people on it for the Wales match. That said even today there is likely to be alot of people on it for the football, so an outright cancellation rather than overnight delay or rescheduling is really going to be a major, major inconvenience at this time for the many people on it who are going to matches.
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Old 19th Jun 2016, 09:33
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I paxed SOU-BHD and back on a day trip last week, and was sat across the aisle from a SOU-based Capt. Told me he been called in off standby position to BHD and then spend a few days operating out of there, MAN and GLA. Said it was due to "being a bit short of crew at the moment".
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Old 19th Jun 2016, 10:21
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Cancellations

Wycombe & lfc84

Thank you for the replies and as ever with the Internet there is probably enough information out there to come to the same conclusion but I didn't realise the extent of the issue.

I bet crew shortage was not the explanation given to the Biarritz passengers when the flight was cancelled.

EMB 175 JC sat at Cardiff since 17th not flown
EMB-175 JI sat at BHX not flown since 17th
EMB-175 -JB sat at MAN since mid afternoon yesterday
EMB-175 JK sat at MAN not flown since yesterday evening
EMB-175 JE - sat at BHX not flown since last night
EMB-175- JF sat at BHX not flown since last night

As for the 195's all active except for the BHX spare.

Half the fleet not flying this morning which is not great but if you haven't got crews then I suppose no alternative.

The only good thing is only one cancellation as far as I can see today and even that is only showing cancelled outbound with the inbound showing delayed a couple of hours.

Credits: FR24, Libhomeradar, various airport websites.

Lets hope this gets sorted although not exactly a five minute fix.

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Old 19th Jun 2016, 10:40
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Half the fleet not flying this morning which is not great but if you haven't got crews then I suppose no alternative.
Its Sunday morning Flybe's schedule is pretty thin until the afternoon -Few business men/women flying !

As for Biarritz more likely rather few bookings and those can be routed over Air France via CDG at almost the same departed time (out of BHX) and will get you their by 1745 today anyway.
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Old 19th Jun 2016, 12:18
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bhx

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No doubt that is the likely reason and why they chose this route although the BHX schedule is not thin on Sunday mornings, 11 aircraft needed by 11am with 11 based and I can see from FR24 that Q400's are operating on 175 flights once again, how ironic is that.

Also CDG - Biarritz is a 170 not leaving much room for re-routes but as you say they would get in by 17.45 although still 5 hours adrift but an option at least and one I would certainly take if offered.

Outbound now showing cancelled on the flybe website and inbound delayed??? - EDIT The inbound and possibly outbound pax were on the Rennes. One of the 175's operated a triangle - BHX - Rennes - Biarritz - BHX and I suppose any overflow went via CDG

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Old 19th Jun 2016, 17:21
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Olton actually its only 8 frames required to cover Sunday am plus one inbound swap and one Belfast based unit from what i can see.

The 195 does a Paris return and Jersey outbound whilst a 175 manages a Milan return and an Amsterdam outbound.

I also see that they merged the Rennes and Biarritz as triangle - Piss poor loads on one of sectors for sure !
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Old 19th Jun 2016, 18:50
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The Biarritz was not combined with the Rennes due to "piss poor" loads. This notion is based purely on speculation and conjecture with absolutely no substance behind it.
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Old 19th Jun 2016, 20:02
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BHX

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We are both wrong! It is 10 by 11.05 on an usual Sunday and 11 by 12.30

BE3001 CDG 06.30
BE7111 MXP 06.35
BE1791 BIA 06.50
BE101 AMS 07.00
BE431 HAJ 08.40
BE1433 BIA 09.40
BE1823 NQY 09.45
BE3681 RNS 10.00
BE561 JER 10.15 *
BE567 NOC 11.05

* The Jersey is a Q400 flight but subbed today by the CDG 195 which in turn was subbed by the spare 195 at 12.15. The Jersey aircraft was then stood-down on return.

Not sure how you can make that comment re the loads unless you have access to the actual data. If the RNS had 55 for a 78 seat aircraft (usual aircraft on a Sunday) and it was topped up with 33 BIA pax (to make 88 on the 175) and then say 22 sent via CDG I would say both were reasonable for June.

Obviously only an example, as I don't have access to the actual data.

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Old 22nd Jun 2016, 22:27
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Any idea of the impact on flybe of the shut down of VLM ?


Looking at Jethros it seems BE had 2 F50s on lease




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Old 23rd Jun 2016, 05:49
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I asked Flybe what was happening - they said they are 'working on it'!
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Old 30th Jun 2016, 06:11
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The Loganair operated Twin Otter operation, is it part of the
Flybe franchise in any way? I know they're not in Flybe colours but they have BE flight numbers rather than LC.
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Old 30th Jun 2016, 09:59
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Yes it is part of the franchise. The -300's used to be in Flybe colours but the new Viking Air variants are not.
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Old 30th Jun 2016, 11:11
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asked Flybe what was happening - they said they are 'working on it'!
MAN-RTM apparently now to be operated by an E75 (at least that is what is scheduled for later in the summer).
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