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Old 9th May 2015, 11:50
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Originally Posted by LEEDS APPROACH View Post
Durham train station to LEA. 67.5 miles as the crow flies and takes 50 minutes to an hour with no change (if the train stops). [using public transport]

Newark (Notts.) to LEA 44 minutes (potentially)
I'm obliged to point out, since you don't appear to have noticed, that 'LEA' doesn't actually have a railway station. The nearest railway station serves the village of Church Fenton and is at least a mile away from the airport. So yes, if you take the train from Durham then you might get to CF station without a change, but once you're there you've still got to get to the airport.....

Quite honestly, the change to the Metro at Newcastle Station is the easier option.
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Old 9th May 2015, 12:17
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The key word is potential. As an airport gets busier of course more trains will stop at the station. Perhaps a station on the ECML?

Some people might choose to get a minute taxi ride from CF station rather than change train at Newcastle and wait for the underground with all their luggage? It's a choice which is not available at present. I could have used Darlington station or Middlesbrough as an example.

Wow almost 50 miles further in the same time!
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Old 27th May 2015, 17:57
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London City Flights?

I wasn't expecting this one, though I suspect LEEDS APPROACH will have something to say:


London flights bid for ex-RAF base Church Fenton - BBC News


No mention of having approached an operator.


Interestingly, mentioned only on the BBC's York pages, and not on those for Leeds.
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Old 27th May 2015, 19:31
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LCY? Train is quicker point to point, and would be more frequent. No chance.
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Old 27th May 2015, 19:48
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LCY? Train is quicker point to point, and would be more frequent. No chance.
Indeed, and there are already flights between LBA and LHR. Given the the range of available destinations from MAN and its proximity, don't think that Leeds is ready for two airports.

LEEDS APPROACH may disagree.
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Old 27th May 2015, 20:50
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Whatever the opinions on here, Chris Makin is a highly successful businessman and unlikely to throw money at a vanity project. Now he may have a realistic business plan for a scheduled device or he may be using this as a ruse to create publicity that he is open for business as a biz-jet airport, time will tell - but there is a hard headed business reason behind it.


As for point to point from Leeds to LCY it would be quicker by air from Leeds East, 25 mins from Leeds Station to Church Fenton, 4 minutes in a fast black to the airfield, exec style check in and fly to City (45 mins).


As opposed to a minimum 2hrs 10 from Leeds Station to Kings Cross and 35 mins acoss London (fromTFL). So might be a goer for the rich and famous.


Its on BBC York as its in North Yorkshire (by a strange quirk of a cartographers pen though it has Leeds postcode )
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Old 27th May 2015, 21:05
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2planks. I don't buy that analogy of train vs air.. Where would the target market have O&D's? The City? If so its much quicker point to point with a connection to the Northern Line to Bank. Plus how many trains are there an hour from Leeds and York to Kings Cross?

I believe he's using this wisely to remain in the media. It certainly has the potential for Biz Jet, GA and training, more so than most other airfields and airports in the area, I hope those plans succeed.
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Old 27th May 2015, 21:07
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I always love the train vs air comparisons on these threads - remind me of the fair and even handed Top Gear "races"!
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Old 27th May 2015, 22:44
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Ok so not directly relevant to Leeds East....but IIRC the two attempts at operating LBA-LCY were very short lived.
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Old 28th May 2015, 09:48
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Pug, I was replying to your statement that train would be quicker to London City Airport - I think the facts show otherwise and my conclusion was only that it is quicker from Leeds Station to London City by air. Having thought about it more clientele of this calibre would probably have a fast black from Leeds to Church Fenton (45 mins from the AA) or from Kings Cross to London City Airport (37 mins). Clearly journeys are more complicated than this and you would take into account where you set out from and where you actually want to be (Bank (the Square Mile) and Canary Wharf are two different areas). But if money is no object and time is of the essence then air would be quicker to Canary Wharf. That said I can't see it being a big market - we will see!
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Old 28th May 2015, 13:15
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I know what you mean 2planks, but my main point is the size of the market and the frequency of the trains. That's why I believe this is more geared towards keeping in the news.

Personally I hope Multiflight might move their training arm there, or someone similar moves in. There's not a lot like that in this part of Yorkshire and the airfield would be perfect for that I think.
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Old 28th May 2015, 14:55
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Pug. Is there not a training organisation at Sherburn just down the road from Church Fenton?
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Old 28th May 2015, 16:21
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Chris Makin launches private aviation service Makin Air for wealthy entrepreneurs at Leeds East Airport - Yorkshire Post

This article states:

hopes to launch a charter service to London City Airport in the next 12 months at a a similar cost to first-class train travel to appeal to professionals.
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SWBKCB, that makes more sense..

Hooded, yes apologies, I meant a larger scale FTO offering all ratings up to CPL ME/IR.. I know Multiflight offer this at LBA, however I imagine landing fees and weather push the costs up slightly.. There are other small clubs which offer these ratings but are not as well known/equipped. Most of those are in the South.
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What navaids does Church Fenton currently have?
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Old 28th May 2015, 19:04
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Nothing, they took everything out with intention of installing them at Topcliffe as far as I know, don't think they did the installation.
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Old 28th May 2015, 21:10
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Its on BBC York as its in North Yorkshire (by a strange quirk of a cartographers pen though it has Leeds postcode
Not so weird, the post office is a law unto itself as far as its boundaries are concerned. Local government keep changing so it would be pointless to attempt to align them. Also parts of “North Yorkshire” used to be West Riding of Yorkshire.


I always love the train vs air comparisons on these threads - remind me of the fair and even handed Top Gear "races"!
Usually air v. rail v. road are pointless exercises: it all depends where the journey starts and ends.



A charter and/or private business service to/from LCY is quite different from scheduled flights. The former could almost certainly work, and work well.
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Old 28th May 2015, 21:14
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Nothing, they took everything out with intention of installing them at Topcliffe as far as I know, don't think they did the installation.
I think this is the big issue. Once he's got some instrument approaches up and running then they'll be a chance of success. I certainly don't underestimate the man's drive to succeed but I also don't underestimate the challenges he faces.
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Old 28th May 2015, 21:44
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Chris Makin launches private aviation service Makin Air for wealthy entrepreneurs at Leeds East Airport - Yorkshire Post
The HondaJet undertook at least two demonstration flights from Leeds East Airport on Wednesday , 27th May .
I wonder if there were any complaints of noise from the local residents ? I hope not , I wish Mr Makin well and wish too that he'd bought Teesside Airport instead !
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Old 29th May 2015, 09:10
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David, The Parish Council were on BBC Look North the other night with mutterings about noise, traffic etc and were asking for a planning consultation - all pretty low key though.
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