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Old 2nd Jan 2015, 18:34
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Thanks for the photo, I thought I knew the difference between a Saab 340 and a BN Islander. Canada's CBC news is showing an undamaged Islander with the news story. I "corrected" them.
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Old 2nd Jan 2015, 19:02
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AAIB have sent a team to SYY.

Let us wait for their report..........pontificating gets us no where.

Nobody seriously injured ~ the most important aspect of this event.
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Old 2nd Jan 2015, 20:56
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The sheep are still happily grazing. When its really windy they get blown across the field and get pinned up against the dykes.
I know its still very early in the new year, but this has the potential to be quote of the year!!
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Old 2nd Jan 2015, 21:02
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Its not a joke, thats what happens when its really windy.

Puts you off your landing when you see a sheep getting blown across a field at mins.
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Old 2nd Jan 2015, 22:50
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The wind stopped once in SYY - and everyone fell over!

What happened to this chap could have happened to any of us. I know I came close a few times. Very occasionally it blew so hard that the props on the Budgie (Dart engine) wouldn't stop turning after shutdown. Happy days...
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Old 2nd Jan 2015, 23:05
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Raison d'ętre

AAIB have sent a team to SYY.

Let us wait for their report..........pontificating gets us no where
Come on now Parkfell, don't be boring. With 157 posts under your belt, you should know by now that, armed with a couple of grainy pictures, a met report and half a dozen pages of debate, any self-respecting Ppruner could tell you the root cause of any accident and who is to blame.
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Old 3rd Jan 2015, 05:40
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I thought we had all been pretty good so far. Helped i suspect by most of the posters relating and having experenced similar conditions in syy.

I have a lot of sympathy for the crew, as R6 states for a lot of us its only the grace of god that we dodged filling out the same paper work on occasion.

Working those islands changes you for the rest of your career. Months of 25G45 turns it into normal. Most strong wind warnings become comical.

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Old 3rd Jan 2015, 08:45
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I have to be honest my first thought was wondering if it was you, m_j. Glad to hear it wasn't.

The weather challenges are one of the things that keep operating in Scotland interesting.
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Old 3rd Jan 2015, 09:08
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no I haven't flown the Islands for years.

But still they have a place in my heart both the good CAVOK days with 60K + vis

And the utter vial days when your control runs are creaking and flying the approach is like an extended full and free check.

But I loved every minute flying over there. They people are great and as you say the flying is interesting and challenging.

To be honest its a huge testament to the skill and professionalism of the Logan Air pilots and others that operate there day in day out that incidents like this are so rare.
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Old 3rd Jan 2015, 10:27
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Intresting, if this had happened in Asia we would be on page 50 by now!
Anyone know the registration? Can't make it out on photos.
Best wishes to the crew ... there but for the grace of God.
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Old 3rd Jan 2015, 10:38
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Anyone know the registration? Can't make it out on photos.
It was G-LGNL according to Avherald
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Old 3rd Jan 2015, 16:37
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After those years I spent in Shetland,Mad Jock, it makes me laugh when I hear the news or ATIS getting into a fuss about about 25kt gusts. And as for those nearly useless 15 mph (!) windsocks commonly used here in the US, what a joke. I really wish they'd use 30kt socks.
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Old 6th Jan 2015, 13:46
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If my memory still serves me right,i think I heard a story that they could have had S340 certificated up to 40kts crosswinds. But,flying demo flights at Malmö,the officialdom was having lunch right at the time when winds peaked for a while. Company test pilots reported no problems at 40plus. It is a Pilot`s airplane,very solid and responsive even at slower speeds. Delight to fly. -that said,if You can wear David Clarcks.
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Old 6th Jan 2015, 14:00
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Added: we tried 55kts at sim,but there I didn`have it quite right and tended to loose the upwind main gear. My sim partner timed it better and he had no problems landing, -A simulator. Most problems with the landing gear we had, were with shimmy damper. But with destinations like Petrosavodsk no wonder. Those concrete block runways had me send warm thanks to engineers in every Takeoff. -This just to tell something of Saab,s landing gear as user`s point. So I agree with Arctic Circle that there is probably more in this incident than just crosswind. Piloting is always the first that the press likes to adhere to,but as most have told here,Saab is very nice to handle,even in demanding occasions,so I am looking forward to see technical reports in this. The nose gear steering system,is a bit of a kind with its plates,so better wait...

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Old 6th Jan 2015, 14:03
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As good an aircraft as the Saab might be, this accident makes me wonder what kind of battering that these machines have taken over the years. Constant exposure to saline weather conditions and strong winds can't be good. Landing and taking off and in a 30kt+ wind on the odd occasion is one thing, but day in day out; well that's another.
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Old 6th Jan 2015, 19:08
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Well the plane doesn't know its in wind.

Just ground speed is less when you rotate and touch down.
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Old 7th Jan 2015, 21:54
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Do I take it Fair Weather Flyer is questioning the engineering ethos at Loganair? After all, airliners are subject to mandatory checks and tech log trails. Surely "saline" related conditions are spotted during heavy maintenance at worst?
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Old 8th Jan 2015, 16:23
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Saab stop flying operations at 52kts.
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Old 8th Jan 2015, 23:37
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Its Windy Up In Scotland

65 kts these days. Might need it this weekend.
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Old 9th Jan 2015, 01:21
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Thanks AC for wx. I would consider as planning that 40 would be more or less steady,and chances are,that it will be anything between 25 and 55,so landing might be possible in about 10 percent of the time you can spend around there, -and still just by chance,legally. Operationally maybe,not that much of a problem,but so much of a percentage and unknowns that i would not even consider giving it a try. Sorry folks,but I won`t take You there right now. My limits are gone by the wind...
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