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AA scaled back their European presence massively, it's a mere fraction of what it once was. The reason they have a large presence today is because of the merger with US, much of the existing network was built by US as AA retrenched. So MAN went from ORD/JFK on AA and PHL/CLT competing on US to what we have today where even ORD was seen as at risk due to old equipment and unreliability. The JV with BA meant they could funnel so much more traffic over a one stop LHR at less cost from the US and led to AA only having a major presence in a few markets. MAD has five daily but MAD is a Oneworld homebase for Iberia.
Delta sent the message to market by leaving the market to VS, United are hanging on but have a decision to make on equipment and AA seem to do well on PHL and ORD is more stable now. As for BA? That's what the shuttle is for alas.
Delta sent the message to market by leaving the market to VS, United are hanging on but have a decision to make on equipment and AA seem to do well on PHL and ORD is more stable now. As for BA? That's what the shuttle is for alas.
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Second time I've seen crumbling tarmac interfere with traffic flow. (First time was at VA on 23L, big chunk went flying when a 737 opened up the taps)
Today was funnier. Loads of arriving and departing airliners held up while a critical portion of taxiway D was deemed unusable.
After a dodgy-looking old wooden board on wheels was towed into place on the offending tarmac, a bloke from an SUV got out and wandered around poking his toes into the surface. Was this a simulation for a 300-ton 747 taxi-ing over the same ground? The chap was burly, but nowhere near a 747-400 MTOM.
In any event, ATC did well in keeping the delayed traffic flowing as best they could. Full credit there for Ground..
But apart from the terrible surfaces over which we have to taxi, metal plates included, why was the "new" tower built where it now is? We sat there at A4 and then A5 pondering the brilliance of the plan which took out a great piece of turf that could have made a suitable opening for a/c to access T1 and T2. Instead the location used created a bottleneck which hardly benefits when the tarmac starts to crumble.
As for the sinkhole in the new Staff East car park at the main coach stop.........well thats another story. Are the contractors at MAN really doing quality surfacing work? Time will tell.
Today was funnier. Loads of arriving and departing airliners held up while a critical portion of taxiway D was deemed unusable.
After a dodgy-looking old wooden board on wheels was towed into place on the offending tarmac, a bloke from an SUV got out and wandered around poking his toes into the surface. Was this a simulation for a 300-ton 747 taxi-ing over the same ground? The chap was burly, but nowhere near a 747-400 MTOM.
In any event, ATC did well in keeping the delayed traffic flowing as best they could. Full credit there for Ground..
But apart from the terrible surfaces over which we have to taxi, metal plates included, why was the "new" tower built where it now is? We sat there at A4 and then A5 pondering the brilliance of the plan which took out a great piece of turf that could have made a suitable opening for a/c to access T1 and T2. Instead the location used created a bottleneck which hardly benefits when the tarmac starts to crumble.
As for the sinkhole in the new Staff East car park at the main coach stop.........well thats another story. Are the contractors at MAN really doing quality surfacing work? Time will tell.
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Delta "leaving" the market to VS was about expansion. More capacity to JFK and new routes to BOS/SFO. It doesn't sound like SFO/BOS have been doing as well as expected - TCX are attacking VS - but they are back next year. The winter cutbacks to ATL and JFK to something like 3/4 weekly. Getting these routes back to daily in winter should be a key objective, but overall they have been building, and we wait to see what affect the JV with AF/KL has on this, if any.
UA are in an interesting position, particularly in light of their recent retrenchment in the U.K. It looks like they are pulling back into LHR, with EDI and MAN having routes to EWR. Would they bring the 763 to MAN and EDI?
AA have obviously struggled but it's surprised me that ORD seems to have survived. This on the B788 and PHL on the A332 should provide them with the platform to succeed on those routes. Whether success here would lead to anything in the future I have no idea.
Obviously, as more routes become viable direct from MAN, BA's shuttle will become increasingly less competitive and one day they may become vulnerable.
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I don't think this is an unreasonable interpretation, but I don't think it's accurate.
Delta "leaving" the market to VS was about expansion. More capacity to JFK and new routes to BOS/SFO. It doesn't sound like SFO/BOS have been doing as well as expected - TCX are attacking VS - but they are back next year. The winter cutbacks to ATL and JFK to something like 3/4 weekly. Getting these routes back to daily in winter should be a key objective, but overall they have been building, and we wait to see what affect the JV with AF/KL has on this, if any.
UA are in an interesting position, particularly in light of their recent retrenchment in the U.K. It looks like they are pulling back into LHR, with EDI and MAN having routes to EWR. Would they bring the 763 to MAN and EDI?
AA have obviously struggled but it's surprised me that ORD seems to have survived. This on the B788 and PHL on the A332 should provide them with the platform to succeed on those routes. Whether success here would lead to anything in the future I have no idea.
Obviously, as more routes become viable direct from MAN, BA's shuttle will become increasingly less competitive and one day they may become vulnerable.
Delta "leaving" the market to VS was about expansion. More capacity to JFK and new routes to BOS/SFO. It doesn't sound like SFO/BOS have been doing as well as expected - TCX are attacking VS - but they are back next year. The winter cutbacks to ATL and JFK to something like 3/4 weekly. Getting these routes back to daily in winter should be a key objective, but overall they have been building, and we wait to see what affect the JV with AF/KL has on this, if any.
UA are in an interesting position, particularly in light of their recent retrenchment in the U.K. It looks like they are pulling back into LHR, with EDI and MAN having routes to EWR. Would they bring the 763 to MAN and EDI?
AA have obviously struggled but it's surprised me that ORD seems to have survived. This on the B788 and PHL on the A332 should provide them with the platform to succeed on those routes. Whether success here would lead to anything in the future I have no idea.
Obviously, as more routes become viable direct from MAN, BA's shuttle will become increasingly less competitive and one day they may become vulnerable.
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AA have obviously struggled but it's surprised me that ORD seems to have survived. This on the B788 and PHL on the A332 should provide them with the platform to succeed on those routes. Whether success here would lead to anything in the future I have no idea.
Obviously, as more routes become viable direct from MAN, BA's shuttle will become increasingly less competitive and one day they may become vulnerable.
Obviously, as more routes become viable direct from MAN, BA's shuttle will become increasingly less competitive and one day they may become vulnerable.
I don't think the Shuttle is going anywhere - lots of O&D, lots of connections, not just on BA. There is a fair amount of, slightly, irrational & pathological hatred towards the BA shuttle (I get the history) but really the business model is no different to EK, EY, QR, CX, SQ, DL or AA, its just the hub location is more exotic!
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Flew BA Club from London to Manchester last week. I believe this is a newish thing where on domestic the centre seat is blocked and the curtain is pulled. Service and food and drink even on that short flight was impeccable and I am no massive BA fan. So I doubt it is going anywhere as this is something they have rolled out to woo punters with a few extra quid to spend.
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They have - the winter suspension of JFK was announced by AA a while ago. Last flight is 29 October.
Anyway AA looks to be confirming the news now.
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I think we also need to remember the 'Trump effect' on loads to the US, and indeed prices. Costs to East Coast are often cheaper than flights to the Med this summer...can't be too profitable...BAD! [Said in Trump twitter-esque style]
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[QUOTE=Dobbo_Dobbo;9866872]I don't think this is an unreasonable interpretation, but I don't think it's accurate.
UA are in an interesting position, particularly in light of their recent retrenchment in the U.K. It looks like they are pulling back into LHR, with EDI and MAN having routes to EWR. Would they bring the 763 to MAN and EDI?
I think is only a matter of time before UA axe MAN-EWR the monthly loads are lower than BHX and they are drtopping the route shortly. Maybe with AA coming off JFK it may give UA EWR more pax - time will tell.#
But with the 757's going it doesnt look good !
UA are in an interesting position, particularly in light of their recent retrenchment in the U.K. It looks like they are pulling back into LHR, with EDI and MAN having routes to EWR. Would they bring the 763 to MAN and EDI?
I think is only a matter of time before UA axe MAN-EWR the monthly loads are lower than BHX and they are drtopping the route shortly. Maybe with AA coming off JFK it may give UA EWR more pax - time will tell.#
But with the 757's going it doesnt look good !
I'd say it's more due to the fact that our continent is becoming a terrorist wasteland that's having a greater affect on transatlantic loads.
Certainly I've never met anybody that has stopped traveling to the USA because of Trump, I certainly haven't.
The Trump Slump is a real factor, however it has been off-set by the low value of sterling. Americans are still arriving in UK for a cheap break regardless.
UA are in an interesting position, particularly in light of their recent retrenchment in the U.K. It looks like they are pulling back into LHR, with EDI and MAN having routes to EWR. Would they bring the 763 to MAN and EDI?
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WOW there are 10 flights a day between the two cities of Glasgow and Manchester, must be a popular route........ !!!!
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In recent years UA has IAD gone, US to CLT has gone (despite continual protests it would return), DL and AA both dropped JFK, no sign of DTW despite it's seemingly "imminent" announcement, VS cut frequency to ATL/JFK, VS BOS/SFO ending earlier than originally planned this season, AA ORD seasonal. Even TCX have dropped MIA. With UA cutting EWR from other U.K. regional points it's hard to see UA upgrading to a 767 - more than likely to be pulled too.
TCX really has grabbed the US market and ran away it and it's clear that more point to point options they offer the more the legacies will struggle. AA's connecting JFK traffic will be shifted to ORD and PHL which will undoubtedly help them out while the rest will be mopped up by TCX, VS and LHR.
It is far from a disaster but obviously not enough market for everyone to have a piece of the pie.
TCX really has grabbed the US market and ran away it and it's clear that more point to point options they offer the more the legacies will struggle. AA's connecting JFK traffic will be shifted to ORD and PHL which will undoubtedly help them out while the rest will be mopped up by TCX, VS and LHR.
It is far from a disaster but obviously not enough market for everyone to have a piece of the pie.
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American Airlines S18 International service changes as of 20AUG17
Posted 20 August 2017 11:15
American Airlines during 20AUG17’s schedule update filed additional changes for summer 2018 season on long-haul routes, including a number of new routes announced by the airline last week. Planned changes a follow.
New/Resumed routes:
Chicago O’Hare – Venice eff 04MAY18 1 daily, subject to Government Approval
AA042 ORD1900 – 1100+1VCE 788 D
AA043 VCE1450 – 1815ORD 788 D
Philadelphia – Budapest eff 04MAY18 1 daily, subject to Government ApprovalAA096 PHL1825 – 0935+1BUD 763 D
AA097 BUD1135 – 1600PHL 763 D
Philadelphia – Prague eff 04MAY18 1 daily, subject to Government Approval
AA052 PHL1830 – 0905+1PRG 763 D
AA053 PRG1130 – 1510PHL 763 D
Philadelphia – Zurich eff 25MAR18 1 daily, service resumption since September 2016
AA092 PHL1820 – 0825+1ZRH 763 D
AA093 ZRH1015 – 1320PHL 763 DOther changes, mainly effective from the week of 25MAR18, as follow:
Boston – Paris CDG 1 daily seasonal 757 service cancelled
Chicago O’Hare – Manchester eff 24MAR18 787-8 replaces 767 in S17, 1 daily
Chicago O’Hare – Paris CDG 25MAR18 – 06JUN18 787-8 replaces 767, 1 daily (787 continues operating on/after 07JUN18)
Dallas/Ft. Worth – Beijing eff 04AUG18 787-9 replaces -8, 1 daily
Dallas/Ft. Worth – London Heathrow 25MAR18 – 06JUN18 AA078/081 3-class 777-200ER replaces -300ER
Dallas/Ft. Worth – Madrid eff 25MAR18 3-class 777-200ER replaces 787-9
Dallas/Ft. Worth – Paris CDG eff 25MAR18 3-class 777-200ER replaces 787-9, previously scheduled from 03APR18
Dallas/Ft. Worth – Shanghai Pu Dong eff 04MAR18 787-9 replaces -8, 1 daily
Los Angeles – Auckland eff 23MAR18 Service converts to seasonal, Northern summer service suspended, previously scheduled as 787-9
Los Angeles – Shanghai Pu Dong eff 25MAR18 787-9 replaces -8, 1 daily
New York JFK – Manchester 1 daily seasonal 757 service cancelled
New York JFK – Milan Malpensa eff 25MAR18 2-class 777-200ER replaces 767-300ER, 1 daily
New York JFK – Paris CDG Reduce from 2 to 1 daily in summer season
New York JFK – Zurich 1 daily seasonal service cancelled
Philadelphia – Amsterdam eff 25MAR18 767-300ER replaces 757, 1 daily
Philadelphia – Lisbon eff 03APR18 767-300ER replaces 757, 1 daily (Reflected in previous schedule update, however this wasn’t covered on Airlineroute)
Previously reported changes:
Dallas/Ft. Worth – Amsterdam eff 04MAY18 Seasonal service operated by 777-200ER, replacing 767 in S17
Posted 20 August 2017 11:15
American Airlines during 20AUG17’s schedule update filed additional changes for summer 2018 season on long-haul routes, including a number of new routes announced by the airline last week. Planned changes a follow.
New/Resumed routes:
Chicago O’Hare – Venice eff 04MAY18 1 daily, subject to Government Approval
AA042 ORD1900 – 1100+1VCE 788 D
AA043 VCE1450 – 1815ORD 788 D
Philadelphia – Budapest eff 04MAY18 1 daily, subject to Government ApprovalAA096 PHL1825 – 0935+1BUD 763 D
AA097 BUD1135 – 1600PHL 763 D
Philadelphia – Prague eff 04MAY18 1 daily, subject to Government Approval
AA052 PHL1830 – 0905+1PRG 763 D
AA053 PRG1130 – 1510PHL 763 D
Philadelphia – Zurich eff 25MAR18 1 daily, service resumption since September 2016
AA092 PHL1820 – 0825+1ZRH 763 D
AA093 ZRH1015 – 1320PHL 763 DOther changes, mainly effective from the week of 25MAR18, as follow:
Boston – Paris CDG 1 daily seasonal 757 service cancelled
Chicago O’Hare – Manchester eff 24MAR18 787-8 replaces 767 in S17, 1 daily
Chicago O’Hare – Paris CDG 25MAR18 – 06JUN18 787-8 replaces 767, 1 daily (787 continues operating on/after 07JUN18)
Dallas/Ft. Worth – Beijing eff 04AUG18 787-9 replaces -8, 1 daily
Dallas/Ft. Worth – London Heathrow 25MAR18 – 06JUN18 AA078/081 3-class 777-200ER replaces -300ER
Dallas/Ft. Worth – Madrid eff 25MAR18 3-class 777-200ER replaces 787-9
Dallas/Ft. Worth – Paris CDG eff 25MAR18 3-class 777-200ER replaces 787-9, previously scheduled from 03APR18
Dallas/Ft. Worth – Shanghai Pu Dong eff 04MAR18 787-9 replaces -8, 1 daily
Los Angeles – Auckland eff 23MAR18 Service converts to seasonal, Northern summer service suspended, previously scheduled as 787-9
Los Angeles – Shanghai Pu Dong eff 25MAR18 787-9 replaces -8, 1 daily
New York JFK – Manchester 1 daily seasonal 757 service cancelled
New York JFK – Milan Malpensa eff 25MAR18 2-class 777-200ER replaces 767-300ER, 1 daily
New York JFK – Paris CDG Reduce from 2 to 1 daily in summer season
New York JFK – Zurich 1 daily seasonal service cancelled
Philadelphia – Amsterdam eff 25MAR18 767-300ER replaces 757, 1 daily
Philadelphia – Lisbon eff 03APR18 767-300ER replaces 757, 1 daily (Reflected in previous schedule update, however this wasn’t covered on Airlineroute)
Previously reported changes:
Dallas/Ft. Worth – Amsterdam eff 04MAY18 Seasonal service operated by 777-200ER, replacing 767 in S17
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VS cuts are actually due to problems with the 789 fleet being fixed over the winter period .So the 333 fleet are in demand at LHR along with some Delta 763s in a supporting role!
Delta/Virgin are working very hard to maintain a scheduled at the moment - Perhaps they need to call back a few 340s from the sunshine in southern France !
I have some hope that the VS/DL marriage remains on track in the medium term
As for AA/BA and JFK not too bothered actually - Its been very clear for some time that the eastern connectivity international/domestic would move to Phili with JFK being more point to point and that in the case of the UK in particular that JFK- LHR would cover all and more of that traffic.
Think the desire to retain Chicago a route they pioneered BEFORE even being in Heathrow in any big way is a signal of their desire to remain in the Manchester market longer term and that it may well operate through winter 2018/19.
As for United I also see this staying and even being upgraded to a 763 at some point.
Delta/Virgin are working very hard to maintain a scheduled at the moment - Perhaps they need to call back a few 340s from the sunshine in southern France !
I have some hope that the VS/DL marriage remains on track in the medium term
As for AA/BA and JFK not too bothered actually - Its been very clear for some time that the eastern connectivity international/domestic would move to Phili with JFK being more point to point and that in the case of the UK in particular that JFK- LHR would cover all and more of that traffic.
Think the desire to retain Chicago a route they pioneered BEFORE even being in Heathrow in any big way is a signal of their desire to remain in the Manchester market longer term and that it may well operate through winter 2018/19.
As for United I also see this staying and even being upgraded to a 763 at some point.
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Take it to Jet Blast please. We don't need that kind of reactionary nonsense here.
You have now, as I'm one.
The Trump Slump is a real factor, however it has been off-set by the low value of sterling. Americans are still arriving in UK for a cheap break regardless.
Yes, and given time 787 too.
You have now, as I'm one.
The Trump Slump is a real factor, however it has been off-set by the low value of sterling. Americans are still arriving in UK for a cheap break regardless.
Yes, and given time 787 too.
Sums up the ignorance of today's society, and why these 'incidents' continue to be allowed to happen. Oh well, less idiots visiting the USA means the rest of us can enjoy the country in peace.
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So you reckon that visitor numbers to Europe aren't affected by the now weekly terrorist incidents, but numbers to the USA are affected because of who's president?
Sums up the ignorance of today's society, and why these 'incidents' continue to be allowed to happen. Oh well, less idiots visiting the USA means the rest of us can enjoy the country in peace.
Sums up the ignorance of today's society, and why these 'incidents' continue to be allowed to happen. Oh well, less idiots visiting the USA means the rest of us can enjoy the country in peace.
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Some other high profile airports losing services, CDG, ZRH along with others we already know about. The retraction is not just a MAN thing, look at BHX for instance..how can not one US carrier make that work ??
There is good out of this...AA 788's to ORD will soak up some of the pax and offer a much better product, as will the remain 3 NYC carriers and no doubt give PHL a boost too, and lets be greatful we still have those options.
MAN has a lot going for it across the pond despite these set backs, TCX, VIR and nobodies mentioned the IAH with SQ.
Europe to US is suffering throughout Europe, mainly through reasons beyond MAN's control.
There is good out of this...AA 788's to ORD will soak up some of the pax and offer a much better product, as will the remain 3 NYC carriers and no doubt give PHL a boost too, and lets be greatful we still have those options.
MAN has a lot going for it across the pond despite these set backs, TCX, VIR and nobodies mentioned the IAH with SQ.
Europe to US is suffering throughout Europe, mainly through reasons beyond MAN's control.