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I'm looking at flights to Chicago in December, in Business Class.
Manchester fares are a minimum of £1,000 cheaper than Heathrow and most other UK airports (with the exception of Inverness). Not sure if competition is so fierce from MAN or routes aren't doing that well. I got a MAN - BOS flight for £999 last month, in business class.
Manchester fares are a minimum of £1,000 cheaper than Heathrow and most other UK airports (with the exception of Inverness). Not sure if competition is so fierce from MAN or routes aren't doing that well. I got a MAN - BOS flight for £999 last month, in business class.
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Sealing,
The comparason a to the likes of TCX (for other routes)are mainly around economy given TCX don't offer a J cabin, especially around things like AVOD
This is where you see MAN-ORD around £1140 Rtn (some days higher, some days lower but that's the average) in December. LHR-ORD comes in around £1200-1500, which isn't a huge difference in the grand scheme of things.
The £999 Boston, while agree is dirt cheap, was an introductory offer IIRC.
The comparason a to the likes of TCX (for other routes)are mainly around economy given TCX don't offer a J cabin, especially around things like AVOD
This is where you see MAN-ORD around £1140 Rtn (some days higher, some days lower but that's the average) in December. LHR-ORD comes in around £1200-1500, which isn't a huge difference in the grand scheme of things.
The £999 Boston, while agree is dirt cheap, was an introductory offer IIRC.
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It certainly shows LOG operating GLA and INV on their own website
Proudly announcing our new alliance with Eastern Airways!
Flybe and Eastern Airways will be keeping you connected from Manchester with up to 4 flights a day to Glasgow.
On sale now for travel from 1 September, 2017.
Together, we can't wait to welcome you on board!
Flybe and Eastern Airways will be keeping you connected from Manchester with up to 4 flights a day to Glasgow.
On sale now for travel from 1 September, 2017.
Together, we can't wait to welcome you on board!
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Why does it matter who operates it?
Well, despite what you think, there may be very different cost structures involved for a start. Just because both airlines operate a B788, does not mean it costs the same for each airline to operate it, not by a long shot.
Crew costs are different, maintence costs may be completely different, fuel prices may be different and so on. Usually, labour is the main cost difference, and labour costs in the US are usually higher on legacy long haul airlines, if it mattered, then why do you think Delta swapped out for Virgin on both Manchester routes, and did the same on a fair few LHR routes also? After all, with your reasoning, both VS and DL operate the A330, so no sensible reason that the costs are different, surely?
Lastly, reputation may be another reason. Most pax on AA originate in the Manchester end, and many people will have booked the flights via a BA source. It will therefore beBA having its name tarnished by the shoddy OTP too.
Well, despite what you think, there may be very different cost structures involved for a start. Just because both airlines operate a B788, does not mean it costs the same for each airline to operate it, not by a long shot.
Crew costs are different, maintence costs may be completely different, fuel prices may be different and so on. Usually, labour is the main cost difference, and labour costs in the US are usually higher on legacy long haul airlines, if it mattered, then why do you think Delta swapped out for Virgin on both Manchester routes, and did the same on a fair few LHR routes also? After all, with your reasoning, both VS and DL operate the A330, so no sensible reason that the costs are different, surely?
Lastly, reputation may be another reason. Most pax on AA originate in the Manchester end, and many people will have booked the flights via a BA source. It will therefore beBA having its name tarnished by the shoddy OTP too.
Firstly filings show that both BA and AA have a CASM close to 13 cents. Their aggregate cost structures are virtually identical.
Secondly this is a JV. Revenue and expense are both pooled. If American pays more for fuel or maintenance then BA eat IIRC 60% of that extra cost. Why would BA allow that?
Yes the MAN routes would perform better with new equipment.
That doesn't mean that just switching between two operating carriers with near identical cost structures is the answer.
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If you come to Manchester you will find American Airlines has a very poor reputaton with
the public of this part of the world due to the poor service over the last few years.
I recomended TCX to a friend from work last year from New York and he was sceptical
until he came back with them and now agrees that they are the airline of choice purely
for the service levels
the public of this part of the world due to the poor service over the last few years.
I recomended TCX to a friend from work last year from New York and he was sceptical
until he came back with them and now agrees that they are the airline of choice purely
for the service levels
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Flew to Belfast this morning. Big queues at T3 security and not all lanes open. Lot's of passengers clearly frustrated. The lounge itself was busy but not rammed, lot's of people using the central bar / restaurant area.
However, the reason I'm posting is that I get to BHD and what do I see in the arrivals area but a massive poster for Hainan airlines promoting its service from MAN with its Flybe connection. Fair play to them.
However, the reason I'm posting is that I get to BHD and what do I see in the arrivals area but a massive poster for Hainan airlines promoting its service from MAN with its Flybe connection. Fair play to them.
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Could the Manchester pax be propping up LHR ?
I only ask as it was mentioned on another forum. I have no evidence to support this and it would seem a risky dare I say it ridiculous strategy if true.
AA seem to dominate this thread. Why is it so bad ?
I seem to recall it being the bedrock of growth to the US EX Manchester.
I only ask as it was mentioned on another forum. I have no evidence to support this and it would seem a risky dare I say it ridiculous strategy if true.
AA seem to dominate this thread. Why is it so bad ?
I seem to recall it being the bedrock of growth to the US EX Manchester.
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T3 security was horrendous at 2.15pm on Tuesday taking over 30 minutes ..... just 2 of the 13 security lanes open and long queues extending back to the entrance. As Manchester Airport employs the security staff, they have no one to blame in this instance, unlike when they "pass the buck" to UKBA for queues in arrival. Getting the stage where Liverpool is my first preference if they serve the destination I wish to go to.
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FFHKG,
Interested to know how true your statement about T3 security is? The reason I say this is because of the following:
T3 only has 11 physical security lanes. Therefore, your statement of 13 lanes is inaccurate.
Out of those 11 lanes, Lane 1 is obsolete due to it being right up against the wall, and has not been used for many years.
Lanes 2/7/8 are back up contingency lanes only due to having older equipment and less space, so, only used during exceptionally busy times
Lane 3 is for oversized items only, such as pushchairs and sticks.
This means, MAN only has 6 lanes (4/5/6/9/10/11) to open on a normal basis. Now, the way MAN operates is that security is open 0400-2145, but opens 0330 for staff but allows pax anyway. 0330-0400, usually only lane 4 is open. At any one time, the standard config is to have lanes 4/5/6/11 open, with 9/10 when it gets busier and then 7/8 if it gets really busy.
Therefore, unless the machines were down for maintence for any reason, I severely doubt only 2 lanes were open at 14:15 on a Tuesday. That said, 30 minutes if the queue was all the way back through the enterence, knowing that area well, I would say 30 minutes is actually quite fast and throws even more doubt into 'only 2 lanes open', as the area you describe can hold about 550 people, so, if it was a big queue in that area as you describe, 550 people in 30 mins is actually quite good and no way only 2 machines could process that amount in 30 mins. Also with what has happened in Manchester in the last few weeks, do you not think security would be heightened at this moment in time?
30 mins is also better than a lot of airports I've experienced lately, LAX was well over 50 mins, DFW similar, LHR had a wait of 45 the other day (not the BA meltdown days before anyone asks). BHX was in the press for its long queues too the other day. So, it's not an isolated issue.
Interested to know how true your statement about T3 security is? The reason I say this is because of the following:
T3 only has 11 physical security lanes. Therefore, your statement of 13 lanes is inaccurate.
Out of those 11 lanes, Lane 1 is obsolete due to it being right up against the wall, and has not been used for many years.
Lanes 2/7/8 are back up contingency lanes only due to having older equipment and less space, so, only used during exceptionally busy times
Lane 3 is for oversized items only, such as pushchairs and sticks.
This means, MAN only has 6 lanes (4/5/6/9/10/11) to open on a normal basis. Now, the way MAN operates is that security is open 0400-2145, but opens 0330 for staff but allows pax anyway. 0330-0400, usually only lane 4 is open. At any one time, the standard config is to have lanes 4/5/6/11 open, with 9/10 when it gets busier and then 7/8 if it gets really busy.
Therefore, unless the machines were down for maintence for any reason, I severely doubt only 2 lanes were open at 14:15 on a Tuesday. That said, 30 minutes if the queue was all the way back through the enterence, knowing that area well, I would say 30 minutes is actually quite fast and throws even more doubt into 'only 2 lanes open', as the area you describe can hold about 550 people, so, if it was a big queue in that area as you describe, 550 people in 30 mins is actually quite good and no way only 2 machines could process that amount in 30 mins. Also with what has happened in Manchester in the last few weeks, do you not think security would be heightened at this moment in time?
30 mins is also better than a lot of airports I've experienced lately, LAX was well over 50 mins, DFW similar, LHR had a wait of 45 the other day (not the BA meltdown days before anyone asks). BHX was in the press for its long queues too the other day. So, it's not an isolated issue.
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I am reading right here, people moaning at having a 30 minute security queue ? Do people really expect to just waltz straight through ! I've waited that long at Liverpool, not to mention nearly every other airport I visit. Nearly 50 mins last week at Hamburg, 45 mins at Orlando in November etc etc... Welcome to 2017 !
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As eluded to in my last post, 30 minutes in security in a city that has just had a terror attack where the perpetrator unlikely acted alone so lots of people on high alert, not bad.
Would rather waste 30 mins of my life than something get missed and not have a life to waste 30 mins at all. Sound OTT but we live in a world where nothing is off limits, so, no good saying 'it's unlikely to happen'. Im sure that's what the 22 people leaving a concert were thinking too....
Given most airports experiencing periods of long queues these days, seems a bit of a pointless task saying 'I'll use airport X from now on', likely to be queues there too!
Would rather waste 30 mins of my life than something get missed and not have a life to waste 30 mins at all. Sound OTT but we live in a world where nothing is off limits, so, no good saying 'it's unlikely to happen'. Im sure that's what the 22 people leaving a concert were thinking too....
Given most airports experiencing periods of long queues these days, seems a bit of a pointless task saying 'I'll use airport X from now on', likely to be queues there too!
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Lufthansa Cargo look to be starting a 1 weekly LH8049 SEA-LAX-MAN flight with the B77F. Arrives 1600 departs 1845 on Saturdays from 1st June.
Seems to be a Lufthansa increase day!
Seems to be a Lufthansa increase day!
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As eluded to in my last post, 30 minutes in security in a city that has just had a terror attack where the perpetrator unlikely acted alone so lots of people on high alert, not bad.
Would rather waste 30 mins of my life than something get missed and not have a life to waste 30 mins at all. Sound OTT but we live in a world where nothing is off limits, so, no good saying 'it's unlikely to happen'. Im sure that's what the 22 people leaving a concert were thinking too....
Would rather waste 30 mins of my life than something get missed and not have a life to waste 30 mins at all. Sound OTT but we live in a world where nothing is off limits, so, no good saying 'it's unlikely to happen'. Im sure that's what the 22 people leaving a concert were thinking too....
Surely the aim should be to keep queues of unscreened people to a minimum
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In an ideal world yes, it would be great to just turn up and sail through security within minutes at what is one of the peaks in flights, but, we don't live in an ideal world. But, when you have up to 13 flights going off at roughly the same time, apart from staggering people through check in (EI giving each flight an allotted time through security), I don't see what else you can do.
Like I say, around 30 mins is the norm at a fair few airports now.
Like I say, around 30 mins is the norm at a fair few airports now.
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Is there an airport in the world that doesn't have this problem, or a concert venue? If you need a security check that a queue has to form somewhere, a group of people be it a 30 minute queue or a 3 minute queue would be of equal value to anyone seeking to do harm. 30 mins for security as stated above is not bad in global airport terms, happily it probably is bad relative to normal queues you're likely to get at MAN.
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And in terms of queues, surely the pax waiting to check in is an easier target. In the doors, do the deed and your done (not condoning that, just saying there are even softer targets than the security queue.)
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the problem I have with security at T3 is that despite it being upgraded it is now not fit for purpose as the staff insist on spreading your things over 2-3 trays and then the trays get clogged up.
Yesterday I put my bag and laptop in one tray side-by-side with my suit jacket ontop of the laptop. This would have been fine before but they took the suit jacket and put it in a second tray as that is what they are now doing.
I'm not blaming MAN if that is what they have to now do but it's this splitting that was causing the issues. There was no queuing at all for the body scanners due to the delays loading the trays.
Yesterday I put my bag and laptop in one tray side-by-side with my suit jacket ontop of the laptop. This would have been fine before but they took the suit jacket and put it in a second tray as that is what they are now doing.
I'm not blaming MAN if that is what they have to now do but it's this splitting that was causing the issues. There was no queuing at all for the body scanners due to the delays loading the trays.
