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Is the Hainan change to a 788 coming with a permanent frequency increase ?
At the moment their website shows the 5th service is only operating in June. If that's the plan then a 4-weekly 788 would be quite a drop in capacity compared with the 4-weekly A333. The 788 has 213 seats and the A333 has 292 seats.
Is the Hainan change to a 788 coming with a permanent frequency increase ?
At the moment their website shows the 5th service is only operating in June. If that's the plan then a 4-weekly 788 would be quite a drop in capacity compared with the 4-weekly A333. The 788 has 213 seats and the A333 has 292 seats.
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Hainan:
Looking back at LFs, July-Sep were the best months at 87.8%; 88.3% and 87.3% from the CAA stats. based on all flights being the A333 with 292 seats. The airline has quoted 92% I gather for the summer.
Oct-Dec dipped to 72.0%; 66.8% and 73.9% also based on the A333, but we know A332s were used part of the time, presumably due to lower booked loads, so the actual LFs would be somewhat higher.
It would therefore not be too surprising if frequency increased to daily for a temporary period, although the use of the smaller B788 with 79 less seats may enable frequency to be maintained with the benefit of daily flights possibly attracting extra passengers.
Looking back at LFs, July-Sep were the best months at 87.8%; 88.3% and 87.3% from the CAA stats. based on all flights being the A333 with 292 seats. The airline has quoted 92% I gather for the summer.
Oct-Dec dipped to 72.0%; 66.8% and 73.9% also based on the A333, but we know A332s were used part of the time, presumably due to lower booked loads, so the actual LFs would be somewhat higher.
It would therefore not be too surprising if frequency increased to daily for a temporary period, although the use of the smaller B788 with 79 less seats may enable frequency to be maintained with the benefit of daily flights possibly attracting extra passengers.
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In terms of the VS JFK, it means weekly seats doesn't take a huge hit, but frequency does take the hit.
The big hit comes to ATL, which has its frequency halved but same aircraft, so, the W17 figures for that route will be dire compared to W16.
As said, we now have a situation where we have more flights to Houston than one of our longest standing routes, ATL. A bizzare situation to find ourselves in really.
The big hit comes to ATL, which has its frequency halved but same aircraft, so, the W17 figures for that route will be dire compared to W16.
As said, we now have a situation where we have more flights to Houston than one of our longest standing routes, ATL. A bizzare situation to find ourselves in really.
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From experience I would have to agree with you, having used SQ service since inception 4 times now, and flight is picking up more passengers from Man each time I have been on it. Also to be honest SQ V Virgin is not much of a contest in my preference stakes, and when you add in the "joys" of Atlanta as your US entry port why would you bother, unless you need to be in that area.
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From experience I would have to agree with you, having used SQ service since inception 4 times now, and flight is picking up more passengers from Man each time I have been on it. Also to be honest SQ V Virgin is not much of a contest in my preference stakes, and when you add in the "joys" of Atlanta as your US entry port why would you bother, unless you need to be in that area.
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MAN - pax go West as staff go East.
Pax numbers on the MAN-SIN and vv sectors are strong, generally around 150 but I have seen 200. Those figures are without the transit pax going through to/from IAH. The market is there for a daily service I would say, and the 5th Freedom route overall is strengthening as awareness of the IAH connection grows. Some transfer traffic connecting at MAN for IAH on this service, too. Fares are low at the moment but that is sensible to establish the market on internet searches - you don't immediately think of Singapore Airlines when looking to fly from the UK to the USA.
Virgin picked up 128 transfer pax at MAN yesterday for Las Vegas. I cannot determine where they came from but some evidence to suggest Eire and Scandinavia where chunks of incoming transfer pax were noted in the hours preceding VS085. Another reason we need to hold on to our US services, because the transfer market is gaining traction which could be damaged by loss of frequency.
And in other news work starts next week on the new Pier 1 aprons as part of the MAN-TP. And so begins a long farewell to the much-loved Staff West Car Park! (Hello Staff East).
Virgin picked up 128 transfer pax at MAN yesterday for Las Vegas. I cannot determine where they came from but some evidence to suggest Eire and Scandinavia where chunks of incoming transfer pax were noted in the hours preceding VS085. Another reason we need to hold on to our US services, because the transfer market is gaining traction which could be damaged by loss of frequency.
And in other news work starts next week on the new Pier 1 aprons as part of the MAN-TP. And so begins a long farewell to the much-loved Staff West Car Park! (Hello Staff East).
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Roverman,
Do you know the process in which these new apron stands will be built? The reason I ask is that I'm aware of the stands adjecant to the car park are being closed off ready to start the work.
However, it doesn't seem to be tallying up with the car park, where a friend sent me a picture where just after the barriers into staff west, they are currently building new islands for new car park barriers to go in, presumably for the smaller version on staff west, or perhaps a slight reshuffle of T2 long stay?
The position of the barriers mean like it looks like the car park will still be along the current perimeter fence, and therefore, surely in the way of construction. I had also seen a communication that some of staff west will still be in place for a minimum of 2 years, which if they want to crack on with the stand construction in that area, seems a little bit of a long time?
Thoughts appreciated.
Do you know the process in which these new apron stands will be built? The reason I ask is that I'm aware of the stands adjecant to the car park are being closed off ready to start the work.
However, it doesn't seem to be tallying up with the car park, where a friend sent me a picture where just after the barriers into staff west, they are currently building new islands for new car park barriers to go in, presumably for the smaller version on staff west, or perhaps a slight reshuffle of T2 long stay?
The position of the barriers mean like it looks like the car park will still be along the current perimeter fence, and therefore, surely in the way of construction. I had also seen a communication that some of staff west will still be in place for a minimum of 2 years, which if they want to crack on with the stand construction in that area, seems a little bit of a long time?
Thoughts appreciated.
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Roverman,
Very interesting comments about transfer pax and that number for the Las Vegas flight. Unlike LAS, Atlanta is more likely to be used as a connecting hub than a final destination. Do you happen to know whether ATL does attract many transfer pax at MAN?
"because the transfer market is gaining traction which could be damaged by loss of frequency"
Good point. As far as next winter is concerned re the VS schedules, will the reduction in frequency to JFK (despite the larger a/c operating) have more effect on transfers than ATL, do you think? In the general picture, my impression was that the loss of frequency to ATL (the same sized a/c as last winter) was the more disappointing.
Very interesting comments about transfer pax and that number for the Las Vegas flight. Unlike LAS, Atlanta is more likely to be used as a connecting hub than a final destination. Do you happen to know whether ATL does attract many transfer pax at MAN?
"because the transfer market is gaining traction which could be damaged by loss of frequency"
Good point. As far as next winter is concerned re the VS schedules, will the reduction in frequency to JFK (despite the larger a/c operating) have more effect on transfers than ATL, do you think? In the general picture, my impression was that the loss of frequency to ATL (the same sized a/c as last winter) was the more disappointing.
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The loss of frequency on JFK and ATL make the route pretty much pointless for any business customer. The should go back to DL operating a daily 752 to JFK an VS operating a 6x weekly service to ATL. 4-5x weekly is the minimum frequency for business travellers. 3x weekly makes the rout redundant. With the transfer market growing this is the worse time possible for these frequency reductions.
In the summer there are up to 5x daily flights to JFK. This winter there will be some days with 0. Shocking.
In the summer there are up to 5x daily flights to JFK. This winter there will be some days with 0. Shocking.
A sizeable share of ATL passengers always used to be holidaymakers connecting on to Florida, so I guess they wouldn't be too fussed about frequency. But I agree 3-4x weekly ATL and JFK is totally useless for business customers.
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The T2 Long Stay car park and former Staff West will be released in stages for MAN-TP construction over the next 3-4 years. The Pier 1 West side stands 101-112 come first and then later the remotes 901-onwards to complete the Lima cul-de-sac. Pier 1 East side stands 120-145 (number sequence not continuous) due into service sometime next year also. General re-designation of existing taxiways planned for early 2018 to release the Lima designator and others.
The T2 Long Stay car park and former Staff West will be released in stages for MAN-TP construction over the next 3-4 years. The Pier 1 West side stands 101-112 come first and then later the remotes 901-onwards to complete the Lima cul-de-sac. Pier 1 East side stands 120-145 (number sequence not continuous) due into service sometime next year also. General re-designation of existing taxiways planned for early 2018 to release the Lima designator and others.
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Cheer Roverman.
I know I'm looking at this from a far too simplistic view, but would it have not made more sense to build the new remotes first, and then as the piers start to get built and take away stands, the new stands could be the backfil.
With 90-100 based and overnighting aircraft, and this construction project not designed to add new stands as it is, I'm just worried ramp space is going to be a very big premium now, and no, not for diversions etc, but for possible new based aircraft and new operators.
I know I'm looking at this from a far too simplistic view, but would it have not made more sense to build the new remotes first, and then as the piers start to get built and take away stands, the new stands could be the backfil.
With 90-100 based and overnighting aircraft, and this construction project not designed to add new stands as it is, I'm just worried ramp space is going to be a very big premium now, and no, not for diversions etc, but for possible new based aircraft and new operators.
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The T2 Long Stay car park and former Staff West will be released in stages for MAN-TP construction over the next 3-4 years. The Pier 1 West side stands 101-112 come first and then later the remotes 901-onwards to complete the Lima cul-de-sac. Pier 1 East side stands 120-145 (number sequence not continuous) due into service sometime next year also. General re-designation of existing taxiways planned for early 2018 to release the Lima designator and others.
The T2 Long Stay car park and former Staff West will be released in stages for MAN-TP construction over the next 3-4 years. The Pier 1 West side stands 101-112 come first and then later the remotes 901-onwards to complete the Lima cul-de-sac. Pier 1 East side stands 120-145 (number sequence not continuous) due into service sometime next year also. General re-designation of existing taxiways planned for early 2018 to release the Lima designator and others.
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Hong Kong Jet A330 due in next Saturday. Due in at 0720 and out at 1400, may be of interest to some. Hong Kong Jet is owned by the HNA Group (Hainan Airlines) so could be a link...?