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If things are going to get tight for stand space, how do ops cope with the totally random arrival times of airlines like Biman?
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Cathay Pacific's service to Manchester goes daily:
Cathay Pacific’s Manchester service to go daily from December
Cathay Pacific’s Manchester service to go daily from December
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Cathay report continuing and rising demand for MAN-HKG, yet people think 'more than daily' is unfeasable'.
if this rise continues, then I can still honestly see 9-10 weekly next year.
if this rise continues, then I can still honestly see 9-10 weekly next year.
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Do we have an explanation why they have (apparently) performed so much better than SQ in the limited time they have been at MAN?
I cannot see SQ and in particular HU standing still and allowing CX to continually add rotations. Unless they are powerless to do anything, or have their eyes elsewhere, I expect these to reach daily before CX expand further.
I cannot see SQ and in particular HU standing still and allowing CX to continually add rotations. Unless they are powerless to do anything, or have their eyes elsewhere, I expect these to reach daily before CX expand further.
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I'm not sure what's giving CX in particular good growth, clearly something going on to go from 4 weekly to 5 weekly, then announce 6 weekly but just 2 weeks later decide 6 weekly isn't enough so add a 7th weekly.
Long may it continue though, whatever it is that's doing it.
Long may it continue though, whatever it is that's doing it.
Do we have an explanation why they have (apparently) performed so much better than SQ in the limited time they have been at MAN?
Hence most of my Asia bookings are with CX and not SQ. The only problem with CX is frequency, and that will also be soon resolved.
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Cathay report continuing and rising demand for MAN-HKG, yet people think 'more than daily' is unfeasable'. If this rise continues, then I can still honestly see 9-10 weekly next year.
For example you argued with me all the way when I sugegsted AA would consolidate CLT/PHL/JFK/ORD post US merger and your view was I was talking MAN down by suggesting they needed to reign in capacity to maintain yield. You would not be told CLT was going, no sir. Remember? Cathay are loss making and have serious structural and competitive problems, they need to get to daily to be properly competitive, and job done in that sense. I disagree they're going to go much beyond that in the medium term, it's not an act of faith, am not attacking MAN, I've just been here before too often IMHO.
Cathay are not a bottomless moneypits like ME3, they need to show a profit and a good one.
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If going into China then CX makes sense as Singapore is the long way around where as in SE Asia SQ gives better connection's. Also in the case of CX you have large Chinese populations in the northern UK with both native/student and business passengers also adding to numbers. I would suggest the rise of CX could be partly at the demise of some of the ME3 where passengers have connected through there and onto China and may now use HU / CX. However when going that way (China) I still prefer EK to CX as there are good direct routes into China from there and I also prefer EK product to current CX offering. HU I have used in China but can not say I was that impressed and would not use them for my route out and back.
The continuing rise of both ME3 and CX can ultimately only be at the cost of BA who do not seem to be able to make new routes work long haul at the moment, with recent quick cancelations of new routes in China and South America.
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If going into China then CX makes sense as Singapore is the long way around where as in SE Asia SQ gives better connection's. Also in the case of CX you have large Chinese populations in the northern UK with both native/student and business passengers also adding to numbers. I would suggest the rise of CX could be partly at the demise of some of the ME3 where passengers have connected through there and onto China and may now use HU / CX. However when going that way (China) I still prefer EK to CX as there are good direct routes into China from there and I also prefer EK product to current CX offering. HU I have used in China but can not say I was that impressed and would not use them for my route out and back.
The continuing rise of both ME3 and CX can ultimately only be at the cost of BA who do not seem to be able to make new routes work long haul at the moment, with recent quick cancelations of new routes in China and South America.
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Yes, I was wrong about AA to CLT but that was based on info I was being told by someone who was previously reliable. Sometimes we get it wrong (even you on a few occasions), but that's life isn't it.
I'm not saying CX will definately go 9-10 weekly next year, I'm saying that there is an aspiration to do so and see no reason why, at this moment in time, that cannot be achieved (bar aircraft availability or a larger downturn in the industry). So far, you haven't given a coherrent argument against expansion, as your first argument about the strength of the MEB3 was debunked, so, you have moved to yield instead, to which you are right, me, you and most on here have no proof if it's good or bad on the MAN route.
But, I'm going to leave the debate there, as the last time I dared to debate you, you got the mods on me instead and I can't be bothered being brigged again for the sake of a debate with one individual.
Yes, I was wrong about AA to CLT but that was based on info I was being told by someone who was previously reliable. Sometimes we get it wrong (even you on a few occasions), but that's life isn't it.
I'm not saying CX will definately go 9-10 weekly next year, I'm saying that there is an aspiration to do so and see no reason why, at this moment in time, that cannot be achieved (bar aircraft availability or a larger downturn in the industry). So far, you haven't given a coherrent argument against expansion, as your first argument about the strength of the MEB3 was debunked, so, you have moved to yield instead, to which you are right, me, you and most on here have no proof if it's good or bad on the MAN route.
But, I'm going to leave the debate there, as the last time I dared to debate you, you got the mods on me instead and I can't be bothered being brigged again for the sake of a debate with one individual.
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Cheers for the response and noted.
It is a pretty large disparity and, if explained by O&D (Demographics & Connecting opporinity), that seems reasonable.
I'd hope SQ could fill an A350 SIN-MANvv at the yield they want, but perhaps it's not quite there yet...
Cheers for the response and noted.
It is a pretty large disparity and, if explained by O&D (Demographics & Connecting opporinity), that seems reasonable.
I'd hope SQ could fill an A350 SIN-MANvv at the yield they want, but perhaps it's not quite there yet...
Re CX, imo the catalyst for the daily service is the availability of more A350s with their improved economics. After 4 years stuck at 4-weekly I doubt we'd now be moving up to daily quite so quickly if the 77W was still the only longhaul aircraft available in the CX fleet.
The other thing to remember is that HKG slots are at an absolute premium and CX still has other European gateways with less than daily flights (think DUS, MAD, FCO, BCN and others). So if higher demand for MAN does outstrip a daily A359 I'd expect the 77W to reappear on the route before they go beyond daily, at least until the 3rd runway is completed (and I mean at HKG, not MAN
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The other thing to remember is that HKG slots are at an absolute premium and CX still has other European gateways with less than daily flights (think DUS, MAD, FCO, BCN and others). So if higher demand for MAN does outstrip a daily A359 I'd expect the 77W to reappear on the route before they go beyond daily, at least until the 3rd runway is completed (and I mean at HKG, not MAN
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Re the other European gateways at less than daily:
DUS has remained 4 weekly despite the switch to A350 but also started after MAN, so, that's clearly the right capacity for CX.
BCN is a brand new summer seasonal route, so, that's a slightly different proposition compare to other European points (I think it's CX's only Euro seasonal)
MAD is also a new route, so, may need to wait a little longer for an increase.
We will see what happens, but MAN-HKG was for years MAN's largest unserved long haul, so, if CX keep eating into that pie, no reason it can't expand further.
DUS has remained 4 weekly despite the switch to A350 but also started after MAN, so, that's clearly the right capacity for CX.
BCN is a brand new summer seasonal route, so, that's a slightly different proposition compare to other European points (I think it's CX's only Euro seasonal)
MAD is also a new route, so, may need to wait a little longer for an increase.
We will see what happens, but MAN-HKG was for years MAN's largest unserved long haul, so, if CX keep eating into that pie, no reason it can't expand further.
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Cathay Pacific Director Corporate Development and IT Paul Loo said: “We have been delighted by the popularity of our Manchester route ever since its launch in December 2014