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quick point on the reference to widening the M56.
There are plans in place for further (ie over and above SEMMMS and Airport City changes) to road access. This includes improvements to the M56 and the 'Rainbow Works' that include improvement to the junction that serves the cargo area and Stennar Lane.
The need for these works will be triggered once the airport handles a certain number of passengers which, IIRC, is listed as a number per day and a certain number of days exceeding that threshold. It could be hourly throughput to be fair. I can't quite remember.
There are plans in place for further (ie over and above SEMMMS and Airport City changes) to road access. This includes improvements to the M56 and the 'Rainbow Works' that include improvement to the junction that serves the cargo area and Stennar Lane.
The need for these works will be triggered once the airport handles a certain number of passengers which, IIRC, is listed as a number per day and a certain number of days exceeding that threshold. It could be hourly throughput to be fair. I can't quite remember.
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Very true, and also Mr A Tis's comment that business travellers are less likely to travel J class than they used to. P/E has proved a very useful compromise I suspect from a cost perspective..
Mind you, the CEO and VPs of the American company I worked for back in the 80s were obliged to travel economy Transatlantic under corporate policy, but that was more unusual then.
However, to the point about weekends and cheaper leisure fares in J class, it was quite normal in those days for business pax to fly out to the States Sunday ready for a Monday morning start, presumably with a full fare flexible ticket or corporate contracted fare. Is that still the case I wonder?
It's not just business pax in the sharp end. Leisure passengers don't automatically mean economy class anymore.
Very true, and also Mr A Tis's comment that business travellers are less likely to travel J class than they used to. P/E has proved a very useful compromise I suspect from a cost perspective..
Mind you, the CEO and VPs of the American company I worked for back in the 80s were obliged to travel economy Transatlantic under corporate policy, but that was more unusual then.
However, to the point about weekends and cheaper leisure fares in J class, it was quite normal in those days for business pax to fly out to the States Sunday ready for a Monday morning start, presumably with a full fare flexible ticket or corporate contracted fare. Is that still the case I wonder?
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Again it's the height of the holiday season both sides of the atlantic many/most businesses strategically avoid planned meetings this time of year as staff leave effects the office stability.
There are few conferences or trade shows now until September !
Bagso true some business travel takes place from the UK outbound on longer sectors from the Sunday afternoon but again many of those in the pointy end, traveling at weekend really are on subsidised tickets on one type or another including large numbers of "bribed" award claim upgrades.
Yields are often pretty poor and in many cases those in steerage are actually adding more revenue !
They also spend more at the airport in retail and restaurants than the lounge crowd !
There are few conferences or trade shows now until September !
Bagso true some business travel takes place from the UK outbound on longer sectors from the Sunday afternoon but again many of those in the pointy end, traveling at weekend really are on subsidised tickets on one type or another including large numbers of "bribed" award claim upgrades.
Yields are often pretty poor and in many cases those in steerage are actually adding more revenue !
They also spend more at the airport in retail and restaurants than the lounge crowd !
a very high percentage of out business travellers going both long haul and European used to travel out Sunday afternoon/evening and be back for the last day in the office on Friday
so the only quiet day was Saturday
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so the only quiet day was Saturday
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There are few conferences or trade shows now until September !
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Whatever happened to that airline that came in and stole all American's MAN-ORD traffic by using new aircraft and local staff? We all had high hopes for them, STAR ALLIANCE members too. They used to be a proper diamond outfit......
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Just where did that come from? It is peak season for academic, association and medical conferences around the world with their attendant trade shows and delegates' accompanying persons.
I said few and I stand by as the peak is last week August and beginning September in the vast majority of disciplines.
Think there is a symposium on Influenza in Chicago towards the end of the month and a Symposium in Manchester on Medicinal Chemistry also at the end of the month.
There are also significant clusters neither in Europe or US towards the end of the month.
Still this is going right off at a tangent to the American issue with the Dreamliner reliability!
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Whatever happened to that airline that came in and stole all American's MAN-ORD traffic by using new aircraft and local staff? We all had high hopes for them, STAR ALLIANCE members too. They used to be a proper diamond outfit......
Or that a rather parochial carrier in Europes' second banking city might have been a saviour but finally falling prey to the predator at home base where their valuable slots were subsequently divided up between LH and BA !
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Just where did that come from? It is peak season for academic, association and medical conferences around the world with their attendant trade shows and delegates' accompanying persons.
I said few and I stand by as the peak is last week August and beginning September in the vast majority of disciplines.
Think there is a symposium on Influenza in Chicago towards the end of the month and a Symposium in Manchester on Medicinal Chemistry also at the end of the month.
There are also significant clusters neither in Europe or US towards the end of the month.
Still this is going right off at a tangent to the American issue with the Dreamliner reliability!
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Chicago is a hub and the US convention calander is packed throughout August.
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....And yes without going off piste one of the largest scientific gatherings in Europe if not the world has just finished in Manchester!
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If you are outbound yes you can no doubt get punted to another hub in one move. If however you are inbound I suspect you are pushed thru LHR but still then have to make a connection via Manchester at some stage ?
Bit tough if you live on say the IOM, served from Manchester but not Heathrow!
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If you are outbound yes you can no doubt get punted to another hub in one move. If however you are inbound I suspect you are pushed thru LHR but still then have to make a connection via Manchester at some stage ?
Bit tough if you live on say the IOM, served from Manchester but not Heathrow!
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Where next for TCX?
With a seemingly well regarded LH offering and opening up of routes long sought after from MAN what next ?
We know that there is talk of further U S expansion and a hope to see CPT added but what about capitalising further on the current model?
EU routes to/from MAN -
- These could also be fed by flybe to offer greater coverage to regional passengers
- TCX own route network could be used to feed LH too (admittedly probably only high frequency routes but not impossible).
LH Connectivity from US -
Whilst the SunCountry code shares are a byproduct of Condor, wouldnt a true partnership with Alaska or JetBlue be more beneficial and offer greater connectivity on the US end?
With a seemingly well regarded LH offering and opening up of routes long sought after from MAN what next ?
We know that there is talk of further U S expansion and a hope to see CPT added but what about capitalising further on the current model?
EU routes to/from MAN -
- These could also be fed by flybe to offer greater coverage to regional passengers
- TCX own route network could be used to feed LH too (admittedly probably only high frequency routes but not impossible).
LH Connectivity from US -
Whilst the SunCountry code shares are a byproduct of Condor, wouldnt a true partnership with Alaska or JetBlue be more beneficial and offer greater connectivity on the US end?
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As a footnote to my previous re Nuclear Power Warmers....
I must confess I assumed the EDF deal was more about rechecking the figures, although having read a few of the "Sundays" it would appear its now more about trust /security re the Chinese !!!
This could have major repercussions up here as we do appear "sadly" and it has to be said "incredibly", relying more on Beijing and the Yen than investment from our own brethren down in Westminster!
We pee the Chinese off at our peril.....
Jose Morinho almost managed this feat, single handedly last week but it looks as though the new Headmistress will not be usurped and is determined to outdo the Special One.
Given the way the winds blowing we could do with our own special one ( George), getting back on parade sharpish !
With so much riding on Airport City and Chinese routes in general we do need to keep them onside.
...one small plea could they please pop a couple of shovels on the Hainan and start digging Northside!
I must confess I assumed the EDF deal was more about rechecking the figures, although having read a few of the "Sundays" it would appear its now more about trust /security re the Chinese !!!
This could have major repercussions up here as we do appear "sadly" and it has to be said "incredibly", relying more on Beijing and the Yen than investment from our own brethren down in Westminster!
We pee the Chinese off at our peril.....
Jose Morinho almost managed this feat, single handedly last week but it looks as though the new Headmistress will not be usurped and is determined to outdo the Special One.
Given the way the winds blowing we could do with our own special one ( George), getting back on parade sharpish !
With so much riding on Airport City and Chinese routes in general we do need to keep them onside.
...one small plea could they please pop a couple of shovels on the Hainan and start digging Northside!
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Another day, another cancellation of American Airlines AAL54. In August, too. Peak season. Must be booked full or very nearly so. What is going on with this airline? Is the Chicago operation in meltdown? They can expect an appointment with some very uncomplimentary newspaper headlines if any of yesterday's passengers were re-booked on this. Although at this time of year it is likely that AAL55 outbound would have been booked full both days anyway.
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AA's 3 flights into LHR this morning seem to be operating fairly normally needless to say - one early and one late as I recall.
Rutankrd has a point. It's looking increasingly a pity that predator he mentions saw off the airline that was providing a decent a/c and service from MAN to ORD 15 years ago.
Rutankrd has a point. It's looking increasingly a pity that predator he mentions saw off the airline that was providing a decent a/c and service from MAN to ORD 15 years ago.
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AA's 3 flights into LHR this morning seem to be operating fairly normally needless to say - one early and one late as I recall.
It's just that one rotation at an out station regularly afflicted by delays sticks out like a sore thumb.