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Old 28th Jul 2016, 11:57
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Again! Are we not going astray with these posts? Maybe we should have a new section?
Infrastructure and Transport.
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Old 28th Jul 2016, 11:59
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I am a regular user of Man at least once a week and live in West Yorkshire on a rail line with direct links to the airport. If I use the train I would have to either get taxi to nearest mainline station - there is no parking or none that is safe anyway and then get train. Other option again taxi to local halt again no parking then change trains on route. Bus to station you say - well we have 2 a day which come within in 2 miles of my house to coincide with schools. Car journey is 45min park in short haul, or when long haul airline sends driver and car, simples. Therefore the only time I would set out to deliberately take transport would be if there was some totally unforeseen event which for the life of me I can not think off.
However I also have a flat in Central London where I happily use public transport (there is so much of it !!)to and from airports, and on a day to day, as little point in having a full time car there, which may explain the high use of public transport to gain access to SE airports by others. If in London you already have the best public transport in the country even if the population of that city do not believe you.


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Old 28th Jul 2016, 13:22
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London City Airport: Ministers back £344m expansion - BBC News

Not Manchester news as such BUT just an observation.

£344m to expand London City.

A modest new terminal and 7...yes 7 new stands. Creating a storm of media interest for the "national good".

It does make the MAN £1bn expansion and the mega increase in capacity appear excellent value for money by comparison ...
Bagso. You may be right but alternatively it could indicate that: -

a) there is more to LCY's expansion than you pick out in your comment hence understating what the investment will deliver, or
b) MAG is delivering the T2 expansion on the cheap (so overstating what the investment will deliver) or
c) somewhere in between...

The expanded terminal at LCY will have a capacity of 6.5 million pax a year which I believe is greater than that of T3 at MAN. The work also includes a new parallel taxiway (oh for such a thing for 23L/5R). Also, seven additional stands is six more than the Manchester development programme will deliver...(tongue firmly planted in cheek...!)
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Old 28th Jul 2016, 13:34
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Region's business leaders call for infrastructure investment - Manchester Evening News

I do wonder what some of these people take in their tea.
The largest driver by a country mile which is available NOW is the airport, not a mention!
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Old 28th Jul 2016, 13:39
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They are encouraging government investment. MAN / MAG would not benefit from government investment would it ?
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Old 28th Jul 2016, 15:06
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And just like magic, after people (Bagso, you'll love this) questioned if Flybe and Singapore will codeshare.....

https://www.ttgmedia.com/news/news/s...r-flights-6034
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Old 28th Jul 2016, 15:49
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Beat me to it Lax....

Emails to Dev Team clearly paid off !

Next stop Hainan.
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They are encouraging government investment. MAN / MAG would not benefit from government investment would it ?

No....but if they came forward with an offer of infastructure re link roads, rail etc I'm sure MAG would snatch their hand off.

It is of course highly unlikely given previous levels of meagre investment up here.

That said, if of course HAL are told that they have to fund the relative aspect of growth in road /rail/ tunnels around Heathrow it would set a precedent whereby MAG would also need to fund its own supporting infastructure, interestingly LCY has funded their own local transport improvement re DLR etc !

HAL would of course still place the begging bowl on the doorstep of Westminster against the back stop of HS2 investment heading our way, ooh lets see circa 2050 ?

...along with the return of that mythical creature the Unicorn.

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Old 28th Jul 2016, 22:54
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Flybe-SQ code share builds on MAN hub

Great news and 'the bleedin' obvious' really. Not sure how passengers using Flybe can connect with SQ at Heathrow though, as the press release suggests. Manchester is the key connecting point, with its massive Flybe feed and soon to be SQ flights going both east and west. High yielding oil-related traffic from Aberdeen will have a great connection on to Houston, arriving MAN around 0800 and departing 10.15. Great connections to Singapore (non-stop ex MAN) too. No-one can now deny that MAN is becoming a significant hub, and doing so without a major based airline. MAN is, and always has been, a fairly unique airport. LHR Runway 3 good for the North?, Thanks but we don't need it.
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Old 28th Jul 2016, 23:10
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a new parallel taxiway (oh for such a thing for 23L/5R)
This would represent little more than a white-elephant cosmetic investment at MAN. Having been delivered at very considerable expense (circa 300M due to challenging topography and two tunnels), a 23L/05R parallel taxiway would add very few runway slots over and above present capability. Given the concentration of existing runway access points at the 23L threshold end, dedicated use of 23L for departures and 05R for arrivals when in dual mode allows for that runway to be very fully utilised already. A parallel taxiway offers enhanced flexibility in choice of runway-in-use configuration, but it doesn't directly increase the movement capability of the runway. Remodelling of the exits could conceivably add a couple of runway slots per hour, but that wouldn't come close to justifying the cost of provision. Meanwhile, if MAG did fortuitously find an extra GBP300M to spend, initiatives such as providing additional apron space and stands for T3 in conjunction with enhanced passenger handling capacity there would be a much more compelling investment.
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Old 28th Jul 2016, 23:34
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Shed, history is against you. A parallel taxiway will be built sooner or later. Why? Because that runway will be used more frequently as the airport grows and will eventually have ILS at both ends. History has shown that every restriction the airport has had imposed or imposed on itself has eventually been overturned.

There will also come a time when parallel approaches and take offs will become routine as they are at many airports in the US, for example, with distances between centre lines less than the 1035 metres which has been the UK norm, SFO for instance operating with 750 feet centre line separation in VFR conditions, not to mention its parallel approach, parallel departure system being at 90 degrees to each other.

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Old 28th Jul 2016, 23:51
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So, we now have SQ code sharing to 8 USA domestic destinations beyond IAH operated by UA, and on Flybe's extensive network beyond MAN.

So the bit in the middle we are missing is a UA codeshare on SQ's SIN-MAN-IAH service. According to an article published in Aviation Week yesterday that could soon be fixed, as it states that SQ/UA have applied to the US DoT for the approval of blanket code share rights on all Singapore/USA services operated by either carrier, including via intermediate points. Unfortunately I can't post the link.
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Old 28th Jul 2016, 23:52
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The utilisation of 23L as a departure-only R/W is pathetic. No arrivals, and very often there are 8 at the 23L hold and no-one taking off. Due, largely, to the fact that the majority of 23L deps' turn right........Requiring a 2 min departure separation, to provide the radar controllers in Jockistan with the requisite 5nm minimum separation.
philbky, The 'Knutsford Kink' was introduced in the early 1990s/late '80s, based on BA11/B732 noise-levels. It has cost us an unbelievable tonnage of Kerosene, to date, whilst the residents of Knutsford enjoy 'surround-sound'.
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Old 29th Jul 2016, 08:54
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Anyone know why there was a hi-fly 340-500 in this morning? Has it been operating for someone?
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Old 29th Jul 2016, 08:56
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All segments of the new SIN-MAN-IAH flights are now fully bookable.

Fares for MAN-IAH-MAN are actually pretty reasonable.

The HiFly A340-500 was bringing Manchester City back, they seem to have this aircraft on regular call out.
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Old 29th Jul 2016, 09:22
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The HiFly A340-500 was bringing Manchester City back, they seem to have this aircraft on regular call out.

Thanks LAX, I would have thought Etihad would have done that job.
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Old 29th Jul 2016, 09:29
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Just going back to public transport and MAN. Because MAN still has a big outbound leisure orientated pax mix, it will always find it difficult to get more to use train/bus to the airport. The once or twice a year bunch (of which there are many) look forward to their holiday and they will be damned if they are going to use public transport for the start of their well earned break. No, they splash out on a taxi or they drive and park. It's in a similar vein as to why onboard sales on MAN based aircraft are the best on any given airlines network.
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Old 29th Jul 2016, 09:39
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Originally Posted by easyflyer83
Just going back to public transport and MAN. Because MAN still has a big outbound leisure orientated pax mix, it will always find it difficult to get more to use train/bus to the airport. The once or twice a year bunch (of which there are many) look forward to their holiday and they will be damned if they are going to use public transport for the start of their well earned break. No, they splash out on a taxi or they drive and park. It's in a similar vein as to why onboard sales on MAN based aircraft are the best on any given airlines network.
So let's project forward to the airport handling 30m passengers, a 20% increase, and as things stand a 20% commensurate increase in traffic. Unfortunately, Amazon will then be operating next door with lorries trundling up and down the M56 at max 56 mph. Yes, the motorway will be upgraded to smart status but that only gives a brief respite and one breakdown throws it into chaos. I don't have an answer, although the elephant in the room is probably to end free drop off. I note LCY charge a minimum of £4.50 for 15 minutes......
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Another delay on the ORD service today, according to FR24
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Old 29th Jul 2016, 10:11
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I think posters should only report when it's on time as that's a lot rarer
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