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Old 20th Jul 2016, 11:03
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I visited the Viewing Park on Monday and they had partitioned the rear 80% of it for long-stay car parking over the summer.
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Old 20th Jul 2016, 16:11
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Is there a 'Staff East'?.............Or do folks who live in Bramhall, Poynton, Hazel Grove and the Derbyshire fringes have to drive past EGCC, and get a bus back to their workplaces?
If so, it's madness.
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Old 20th Jul 2016, 17:40
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Originally Posted by MANFOD
Considering that ORD is really the last US departure of the day from MAN AT 13.15, how are AA dispersing the pax? Ironically, ORD has probably been the busiest of the 3 AA flights over the last couple of months and has been near full some days more recently.

I guess some could be shuttled down to London if there are seats available. There is a tea-time flight to ORD from LHR I believe, although many of the MAN pax would be flying on to other destinations from ORD so could be transferred onto JFK flights from LHR for example, of which there are plenty. If pax are simply told to come back the next day, that might explain why certain flights have been extra busy, but if the following day's flight is already busy, what then?

More disappointing though if MAN is top of the drop list.
CX to MAN always seemed to get hit when there was a delay of some sorts, I asked the question why always the MAN flt why not somewhere else, I can't remember all the whys and wherefores but it made commercial sense unfortunately, as it is one of the last European flts to leave HKG the impact was considered less, it was normally caused by a late inbound YVR flt and the a/c would get switched around with a subsequent 6 hour delay to MAN!
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Old 21st Jul 2016, 06:58
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Credit to @Airlineroute on Twitter

Singapore Airlines to launch Singapore – Manchester – Houston 5 weekly flights, effective 30OCT16.
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Old 21st Jul 2016, 07:48
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Link: Singapore Airlines to switch Houston stopover from Moscow to Manchester :: Routesonline
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Old 21st Jul 2016, 07:51
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Loss of daily frequency to SIN after many years. Rather takes the shine off things.
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Old 21st Jul 2016, 07:59
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In true mancunian style, one of the first comments is always about finding a negative in the story (just kidding Shed).

The flight is specked to go daily next summer, but surely getting a direct link to Singapore back and a new US route to boot is only a good thing surely?

Also interesting case point, if I remember correctly, this route makes it the first launch of a US route in the winter season since AA to Miami back in 2004/2005 ish.
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Old 21st Jul 2016, 08:13
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In true mancunian style
I greeted the neighbour with 2 whinges this am and that's why everyone knows I come from Moanchester.

Anyway, taking into account the blocked out seats for MUC-SIN sector, surely even a 5 day a week schedule is increased weekly capacity?
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Old 21st Jul 2016, 08:23
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1 coffee in and I've just realised the foolishness of my question....!!! They will be blocked out seats for IAH.
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Old 21st Jul 2016, 08:30
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If they have applied for daily slots I think there is a good chance they will use them if the route proves popular.

The MAN-SIN sector I'm sure will be.

Cautiously optimistic about the MAn-IAH sector. I think some codeshares would help from Scandinavia!
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Old 21st Jul 2016, 08:47
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Great to see this confirmed and IMO more than compensates for the suspension of UA to IAD this winter. The MUC stop was a pain, especially westbound. Also means MAN keeps the 77W and its freight capacity.

SQ recently announced codeshares to a number of US cities beyond IAH starting this month, including ATL, AUS, DFW, FLL, MIA, MSY, MCO and TPA all operated by UA. Wonder if UA will codeshare on the MANIAH sector ?
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Old 21st Jul 2016, 09:17
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Great headline from SQ about going direct to MAN. What they neglect to tell you is following:
1) Outbound from SIN means extra 3 hour layover.
2) Frequency reduced.
3) Seats reduced.
4) Fares will probably stay high.
5) We will keep that POS noise mobile on the flight. I don't care about freight, I care about comfort/ride/peace/relaxing and sorry to say the 77W is way behind the 350.
6) MAN survives on tag on flights still. SQ had Asia/Pacific ex MAN to themselves and they let every man and his dog onto it and take their business. Only once did they seem to have it right with the direct 772ER, but they had to mess.

Frustrating!!!!
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Old 21st Jul 2016, 09:50
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I daresay that MAN-SIN now has more seats available on this reduced frequency than before. With the shuffling their Munich route is becoming a daily terminator and Moscow 4 weekly terminator.
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Old 21st Jul 2016, 10:03
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Wow some people are really never happy.

Look at it this way.

The SQ327/328 was always slated to go A350. Yes, it's a newer plane but lower capacity. We have retained the B77W which means greater capacity.

The flight is expected to go daily in Summer S17, SQ applied for 2 daily but don't have the equipment to do so this winter.

We now have a direct flight back to Singapore, which saves time and effort from the Munich shuffle.

We now have a new route to the USA on top of all this. Yes, MAN survives as a tag on, but now, MAN-SIN-MAN Max have a direct flight, so technically the tag for the primary source of traffic has gone.

I'm sorry, I can only see positives in this. Look at it this way, we could have gone over to Scoot, who are starting EU routes this winter too. Then people would have had cause to moan!
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Old 21st Jul 2016, 10:28
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While 5 weekly in each direction , that does not mean 2 on the ground 5 days a week will it ? Will vary between 2, 1 and none I presume ??
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Old 21st Jul 2016, 10:39
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Yes, I take the point about moaning :-)

However, loss of daily frequency to SIN is a setback. Reservations systems prioritise date requested in an availability search rather than pointing out that there is a non-stop direct flight one day earlier / later. On the 'Kangaroo route' where a higher proportion of travellers still use traditional agencies, many will never be made aware of the advantage of altering their plans by 24 hours. They'll just find themselves lumbered with a nightmare terminal transfer at LHR. And whilst daily from March 2017 would be great, the crucial Christmas / New Year trade will have been disrupted.

Probably all of the regular readers on here are well aware of this new service and the frequency offered. But we're far from typical. Granny and Grandad will trust Clueless Travel to book them via a 90-minute terminal transfer at LHR with no mention of the obvious alternative. Not all agents are this lax, but in my experience many are. They look at the first requested date and that's it, even when the traveller could be flexible.

In the past, I myself have been booked on a long-haul service having specified the Manchester days of operation. An elderly limited-mobility parent was travelling with me back from Australia at the time. The airline then altered the MAN days of operation ... I was aware of this long before they admitted to it. But no amount of reasoning would persuade them to allow a switch by one day to the new Manchester day. Heathrow it was. Utterly, utterly horrendous. I've only flown one long-haul sector with that airline in many years since then, and that was booked by a cruise company which offered no viable alternative. That airline's lying and intransigence following their own schedule-alteration has cost them many thousands of pounds in subsequent bookings from me. I hope Singapore Airlines will treat their affected customers better by allowing rebooking to a non-stop MAN service 24 hours earlier / later.

I don't deny the positives though. Adding Houston is great news as is protecting the route's cargo uplift capability. And hopefully the frequency reduction will be short-term Winter season only.
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Old 21st Jul 2016, 10:47
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While 5 weekly in each direction , that does not mean 2 on the ground 5 days a week will it ? Will vary between 2, 1 and none I presume ??
2 on the ground Wed, Sat, Sun. 1 on the ground on the other days
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Old 21st Jul 2016, 10:53
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Well said LAX; plenty to be be positive about from MAN's point of view.

But as usual we have a selfish and negative post from BDLBOS when it comes to Manchester subjects...

1) Outbound from SIN means extra 3 hour layover.
I assume that this refers to your personal itinerary. But looking at the wider picture, does it give more connections at SIN due to the revised departure time? Please tell. And of course you don't have to stop off en route now...

2) Frequency reduced.
Well I can't argue with that, but of course you will have seen LAX's post about the expected frequency increase come next summer.

3) Seats reduced.
Possibly so. But we don't know for sure unless you are privy to the proportion of seats allocated to MAN on both flights through MUC and now onward to IAH. I would suspect that the number of MAN- IAH and vv passengers will exceed those currently flying MAN - MUC on SQ.

4) Fares will probably stay high.
Quite possibly. Might not be good for you, but if the route makes a profit as a result, it's a win-win for the airline and MAN.

5) We will keep that POS noise mobile on the flight. I don't care about freight, I care about comfort/ride/peace/relaxing and sorry to say the 77W is way behind the 350.
Personal opinion. Tough luck if you have to fly on one. You might not care a tuppeny toss about freight but the revenue it generates is important to route viability. If it wasn't there, the route might not be there at all and then you'd have to find another way to get back.

MAN survives on tag on flights still. SQ had Asia/Pacific ex MAN to themselves and they let every man and his dog onto it and take their business. Only once did they seem to have it right with the direct 772ER, but they had to mess.
Can't argue with that.

Perhaps you should try and find an A350 to fly on to somewhere next time and then transfer onto a flight back here.
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Old 21st Jul 2016, 11:12
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It's in the booking engine now.

SQ51/52



I believe this will revert to daily for summer '17.

Delighted MAN secures another non-stop option to the Far East.

Honestly BDLBOS, have a drink and chill; such negativity.
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Old 21st Jul 2016, 11:20
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I share the frustration of less than daily schedules.
Those of us who have to fly off on aeroplanes to earn a living will have little flexibility on dates of travel and you just can't hang around for an extra day or two until a flight operates to MAN.

Worse still, when going through a preferred agent, as I have to do with some of my clients, no amount of hand holding will help get you on that flight from MAN. I remember a couple of years ago when wanting to go to Atlanta in the winter, I was told in a very clear manner by the agent that there are no flights between MAN and ATL - at all - a simplistic assumption was made due to the flight being non-op on the day I wanted. The agent made strenuous efforts to get me to fly MAN-AMS-ATL starting on that hideous 5.55am departure. Grim.

Another anecdote involves a friend who is a regular on CX who has been making the trip for years and for whom the non-stop has been a godsend. He said to me just last week how great it was......'but the trouble is you have to come back via Heathrow'

I would say the priority for the MAN route development team in the next 2-3 years is getting the rest of the long-haul portfolio up to year round daily (leisure routes excepted). I'm talking Hong Kong, Beijing, Washington etc - and now Singapore....hope it does revert to daily in the summer.
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