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Re: Cathay
It is obvious to me that they are worried by the effect of Hainan starting
at Manchester, on their service - so instead of a daily service that might need cutting back(once Hainan have established) they only have the four - and Gatwick is an indication of where they will boost by cutting Manchester further.
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It is obvious to me that they are worried by the effect of Hainan starting
at Manchester, on their service - so instead of a daily service that might need cutting back(once Hainan have established) they only have the four - and Gatwick is an indication of where they will boost by cutting Manchester further.
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T3 has its bad times, very early morning, and does for sure need expanding. At other time of the day its not too bad.
If those comments were posted by anyone other than a LPL fan then I'd be a little more worried. Pinch of salt required in this case me thinks.
If those comments were posted by anyone other than a LPL fan then I'd be a little more worried. Pinch of salt required in this case me thinks.
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Given that all the data indicated 100,000 passengers to Hong Kong with Routesonline suggesting 135,000 passengers to mainland China, I am at a loss to see why CX will be worried about Hainan starting at MAN.
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Funny then that Cathay should take a decade or more to decide to come back to Manchester then - if your stats say that.
Bagso
Continue to push your head in your sandpit.
MM
Funny then that Cathay should take a decade or more to decide to come back to Manchester then - if your stats say that.
Bagso
Continue to push your head in your sandpit.
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I think there's little doubt that a daily service stimulates extra demand than 3 or 4 flights weekly on long haul. Importantly, this probably applies more to business travellers paying premium fares as it gives greater flexibility when booking a trip; but also if their meetings overrun or finish early, they know they can try and catch a flight the next day or the previous day (if not full!). A daily can also provide better options for onward transfers at Hong Kong if those connecting flights are not daily.
So you would go to so much trouble just to avoid Manchester which is just down the road?
You would fly LPL-DUB-LHR-XXX ?
You would fly LPL-DUB-LHR-XXX ?
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Obviously if your business or leisure travel is in Beijing, Hainan will be more attractive than Cathay from Manchester. But if travelling onward to Chinese destinations, then choice will depend on price and quality (and I suppose these destinations are also available through the Middle East as well these days).
Either way, the first two times I flew from Manchester to Qingdao, it was via Amsterdam and Guangzhou with KLM and two China Southerns. It was OK, but I had two lots of missing luggage and the service was adequate.
Now we're spoiled. Last year I didn't have to spend money in a hotel in Manchester to have to get the first KLM, Cathay was fantastic, Dragonair from HK perfectly good, and on the way back had a good stopover in HK. Looking forward to doing the same in four weeks time. Hainan may or may not be cheaper to other Chinese destinations (but certainly quicker to Beijing) but I suggest they will struggle to meet Cathay's quality.
Either way, the first two times I flew from Manchester to Qingdao, it was via Amsterdam and Guangzhou with KLM and two China Southerns. It was OK, but I had two lots of missing luggage and the service was adequate.
Now we're spoiled. Last year I didn't have to spend money in a hotel in Manchester to have to get the first KLM, Cathay was fantastic, Dragonair from HK perfectly good, and on the way back had a good stopover in HK. Looking forward to doing the same in four weeks time. Hainan may or may not be cheaper to other Chinese destinations (but certainly quicker to Beijing) but I suggest they will struggle to meet Cathay's quality.
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T3 Reviews Excessively Harsh
The reason for my switch to the train was the awful experience that is Terminal 3.
T3 has its bad times, very early morning, and does for sure need expanding.
I am amongst those who have highlighted some of T3's deficiencies in the past, but we need to retain perspective and balance in our discussions. Improvements have been made to T3. I passed through T3 four times as a passenger last week (two arrivals, two departures). On both outbound journeys I passed through T3 security at approximately 06:00, a particularly busy hour of the day featuring customers for the first wave of Ryanair departures plus pax for several FlyBe services and flights for BA and KLM. On the first occasion I reached the security search point with no delay whatsoever. I was through the whole thing inside five minutes. The second occasion saw a queue of about two minutes in duration and just a short delay whilst a resupply of grey x-ray trays was awaited. Even the security guy expressed surprise when those ran out: "You don't see that very often. There's loads of them". This time I found myself in the main departures area within ten minutes. And on both occasions the security staff were bright, chatty and pleasant whilst still doing an effective job (certain other airports: take note).
Having reached the airside departure lounge much earlier than we had allowed for, my party descended on the (recently opened?) 'Lion and Antelope' catering outlet. I was really impressed with this place. Most unusually for an airport catering outlet, prices appeared to be pitched at a Wetherspoon's level. Two of my group chose the full English breakfast (£7.95); at that early hour I opted for two rounds of toast and marmalade instead (£2.25). Coffees and teas vary in price from £1.95-£2.30 dependent on specific selection. If you're up for it there is a "Full Monty" super breakfast for £9.95, also a children's menu with prices about half those of adult meals. Two friendly members of staff helped carry our order to table. We really couldn't have asked for better, and at a price which would seem reasonable in a village cafe. I generally associate airport terminals with rip-off catering prices, so this is an unequivocal win for Manchester's much maligned T3. After finishing, one can adjourn to the panoramic windows alongside the 50's gates where ample seating is available, even at busy times.
My two arrivals back into T3 last week were swift and uneventful. From the middle of a Ryanair B738 (and hence one of the last to disembark with front and rear steps on the go) I was outside the building groundside in exactly ten minutes from the aircraft reaching the stand. My other arrival - from the FlyBe DH8D from Rotterdam - was quicker still. No complaints.
Yes, T3 has limitations - all regulars here know and acknowledge that. But it is far from the worst terminal you will encounter. The hatred on here is overdone. At quieter times of day it is very pleasant; when at its busiest it remains preferable to many other terminals I have used. Meanwhile, with reports emerging that Ryanair will increase throughput at MAN by 33% next year (plus growth from FlyBe etc.), I look forward to seeing MAG's plans to extend near-term capacity in the T3 facility. You do have such plans, don't you MAG? ;-)
Re: Cathay
It is obvious to me that they are worried by the effect of Hainan starting
at Manchester, on their service - so instead of a daily service that might need cutting back(once Hainan have established) they only have the four - and Gatwick is an indication of where they will boost by cutting Manchester further.
It is obvious to me that they are worried by the effect of Hainan starting
at Manchester, on their service - so instead of a daily service that might need cutting back(once Hainan have established) they only have the four - and Gatwick is an indication of where they will boost by cutting Manchester further.
Continue to push your head in your sandpit.
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Hi Shed
They surely couldn't expand T3 whilst the TP work on T2 is being undertaken. I suspect they would also need some more car parking space.
Re Cathay - it is probably a combination of being surprised at the sucess of the route (unsure whether to use the B77W or A359) grabbing slots at Gatwick and crew/staff problems.
I hope SQ copy the CX model when/if they delink from MUC.
They surely couldn't expand T3 whilst the TP work on T2 is being undertaken. I suspect they would also need some more car parking space.
Re Cathay - it is probably a combination of being surprised at the sucess of the route (unsure whether to use the B77W or A359) grabbing slots at Gatwick and crew/staff problems.
I hope SQ copy the CX model when/if they delink from MUC.
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You don't know me so please do not insult me or try to belittle me.
When I travel British Airways long haul I always travel in Club, never First, never World Traveller Plus and never World Traveller.
To put it into perspective for you.
Depart from my home at 06:45 to Lime Street 20 mins, allow 10 mins in case taxi is late, then 07:16 train to Manchester Airport arriving 08:22, 10 minute walk to Terminal 3, through security and fly on BA1389 to Heathrow arriving Terminal 5 at 11:05. Total journey time 4 Hours 20 minutes, or
Depart from my home at 07:00 to Liverpool Airport, through security and fly on EI193 arriving Dublin at 09:10 (but always early normally 08:50), transfer onto BA845 arriving Heathrow at 11:45.
So only a difference of 25 minutes and a much more pleasant experience plus Club Europe from Dublin to Heathrow at a much cheaper fare than from Manchester.
Manchester Airport survives on low cost, low yield services just as much as Liverpool does. That is why Airlines think that MAN is a lower yield proposition than LHR.
You don't know me so please do not insult me or try to belittle me.
When I travel British Airways long haul I always travel in Club, never First, never World Traveller Plus and never World Traveller.
To put it into perspective for you.
Depart from my home at 06:45 to Lime Street 20 mins, allow 10 mins in case taxi is late, then 07:16 train to Manchester Airport arriving 08:22, 10 minute walk to Terminal 3, through security and fly on BA1389 to Heathrow arriving Terminal 5 at 11:05. Total journey time 4 Hours 20 minutes, or
Depart from my home at 07:00 to Liverpool Airport, through security and fly on EI193 arriving Dublin at 09:10 (but always early normally 08:50), transfer onto BA845 arriving Heathrow at 11:45.
So only a difference of 25 minutes and a much more pleasant experience plus Club Europe from Dublin to Heathrow at a much cheaper fare than from Manchester.
Manchester Airport survives on low cost, low yield services just as much as Liverpool does. That is why Airlines think that MAN is a lower yield proposition than LHR.
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Ametyst1,
I totally see your point about doing LPL - DUB - LHR and on for a host of reasons. If you like flying this makes sense, you get avios on all legs with AerLingus and BA..
Moreover, BA has pricing strategies by country. Dublin has had some very preferential deals of late as reported online, offering cheaper upgrades and bonus miles. So it may on occasion be much cheaper to start your BA trip in Dublin over Manchester!
A pal of mine who lives in London went to Delhi. He did club world but the deal was cheaper from Brussels, believe it or not than London. The offer was cheaper with reduced level of avois required. So he flew LHR BRU to meet his flight... Which took him BRU-LHR then on to India. I don't think this is uncommon. My time is not so previous thst I can't spent an extra few hours doing something like this especially if I am said a few hundred quid.
There many bizarre pricing polices in some airlines like more expensive for 1 way than return eg the very successful AirFrance!! And some airlines have pricing policies in different countries that don't at the face of it make sense compared to direct flights, but if you compare and be a bit forensic about it you can save money and probably bag lower prices or bonus air miles or indeed discounted upgrades.
I totally see your point about doing LPL - DUB - LHR and on for a host of reasons. If you like flying this makes sense, you get avios on all legs with AerLingus and BA..
Moreover, BA has pricing strategies by country. Dublin has had some very preferential deals of late as reported online, offering cheaper upgrades and bonus miles. So it may on occasion be much cheaper to start your BA trip in Dublin over Manchester!
A pal of mine who lives in London went to Delhi. He did club world but the deal was cheaper from Brussels, believe it or not than London. The offer was cheaper with reduced level of avois required. So he flew LHR BRU to meet his flight... Which took him BRU-LHR then on to India. I don't think this is uncommon. My time is not so previous thst I can't spent an extra few hours doing something like this especially if I am said a few hundred quid.
There many bizarre pricing polices in some airlines like more expensive for 1 way than return eg the very successful AirFrance!! And some airlines have pricing policies in different countries that don't at the face of it make sense compared to direct flights, but if you compare and be a bit forensic about it you can save money and probably bag lower prices or bonus air miles or indeed discounted upgrades.
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Thanks EI-BUD, I am glad someone can see some sense in what I do. The fuuny thing is I can quite often get a £19.99 fare with EI from Liverpool to Dublin and yet the standard single train fare from Liverpool to Manchester Airport is £15.10.
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lot more flights and still a lot of seats to fill so yes could do better
still pushed I think 73k in January but another 27,000 seats or so
available.
Interestingly between LPL and MAN over 100k pax and Liverpool
outside London is 3rd strongest behind MAN and BHX even ahead
(just) EDI
Ian
still pushed I think 73k in January but another 27,000 seats or so
available.
Interestingly between LPL and MAN over 100k pax and Liverpool
outside London is 3rd strongest behind MAN and BHX even ahead
(just) EDI
Ian
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Travelling via another country can give you substantial savings both in terms of AP tax and competitive fares. From LBA, I used to take KLM to AMS in Y as it was only a short leg, then fly AMS/LHR/HKG with BA.
Transfer at AMS was fine if travelling with carry-on only - just need to give yourself a couple of hours between flights in AMS in case of delays. On return leg, book a 24 hr stop-over in LHR, tear up the LHR/AMS boarding pass, and then just transfer onto the next LHR/LBA flight on the cheapest available ticket. Only downside is having to negotiate LHR security twice.
Saving on the combined fares could be as much as £1000 compared to a BA LBA/LHR/HKG C class fare.
Transfer at AMS was fine if travelling with carry-on only - just need to give yourself a couple of hours between flights in AMS in case of delays. On return leg, book a 24 hr stop-over in LHR, tear up the LHR/AMS boarding pass, and then just transfer onto the next LHR/LBA flight on the cheapest available ticket. Only downside is having to negotiate LHR security twice.
Saving on the combined fares could be as much as £1000 compared to a BA LBA/LHR/HKG C class fare.
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New airline, old route
According to ATW online, VIM Avia have gained permission to fly Moscow to Manchester as well as Birmingham. No clues as to a start date or aircraft type. Any thoughts?
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VIM Airlines
Check out the link here:-
Russia?s VIM Avia wins approval for Moscow-Manchester route | Airports & Routes content from ATWOnline
Russian authorities have approved VIM Avia to operate up to 7X-weekly services from Moscow to Manchester and Birmingham.
VIM Avia did not say when it plans to launch the flights or what type of aircraft it will use. According to Russia’s Federal Air Transport Agency, Rosaviatsia, it also approved VIM Avia to operate scheduled services on Kazan-Frankfurt, Moscow-Mumbai and Moscow-Amritsar routes.
EasyJet was the first carrier to establish direct scheduled Manchester-Moscow service in March 2013. EasyJet ceased this service in September 2015 due to economic turbulence in Russia. It also announced it will stop London-Moscow operations in March 2016. After that, only British Airways and Aeroflot Group will perform Moscow-London services after Russia’s Transaero declared bankruptcy last year.
Russia?s VIM Avia wins approval for Moscow-Manchester route | Airports & Routes content from ATWOnline
Russian authorities have approved VIM Avia to operate up to 7X-weekly services from Moscow to Manchester and Birmingham.
VIM Avia did not say when it plans to launch the flights or what type of aircraft it will use. According to Russia’s Federal Air Transport Agency, Rosaviatsia, it also approved VIM Avia to operate scheduled services on Kazan-Frankfurt, Moscow-Mumbai and Moscow-Amritsar routes.
EasyJet was the first carrier to establish direct scheduled Manchester-Moscow service in March 2013. EasyJet ceased this service in September 2015 due to economic turbulence in Russia. It also announced it will stop London-Moscow operations in March 2016. After that, only British Airways and Aeroflot Group will perform Moscow-London services after Russia’s Transaero declared bankruptcy last year.