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at Manchester we have 3 crossing points and with a 4 mile gap I can cross 3 acft . 3nm is not used because if the gap closes below 3miles you have lost separation.With reference to departures all of Manchesters easterly sids except one require 2 mins between departures, plenty of time to cross acft
at Manchester we have 3 crossing points and with a 4 mile gap I can cross 3 acft . 3nm is not used because if the gap closes below 3miles you have lost separation.With reference to departures all of Manchesters easterly sids except one require 2 mins between departures, plenty of time to cross acft
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at Manchester we have 3 crossing points and with a 4 mile gap I can cross 3 acft . 3nm is not used because if the gap closes below 3miles you have lost separation.With reference to departures all of Manchesters easterly sids except one require 2 mins between departures, plenty of time to cross acft
at Manchester we have 3 crossing points and with a 4 mile gap I can cross 3 acft . 3nm is not used because if the gap closes below 3miles you have lost separation.With reference to departures all of Manchesters easterly sids except one require 2 mins between departures, plenty of time to cross acft
Doesn't matter, Skip is right. The "one world" barely exists at MAN. American needs to be back in a long haul terminal. T3 totally unsuitable. This would give Flybe & Ryanair pax a much better terminal experience & likewise American pax in T2. - although the T2 business lounges are abysmal.
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when we are crossing acft, 4mile gaps are comfortable for both atc and aircrew ( no squeaky bum time). Subject to vortex, acft types on approach are not generally an issue/
when we are crossing acft, 4mile gaps are comfortable for both atc and aircrew ( no squeaky bum time). Subject to vortex, acft types on approach are not generally an issue/
Sure obviously you never aim for the minimum separation unless you're a cowboy, forgive the imprecision of the previous question. What I meant to ask was, what is the minimum separation in your MATS, 3 NM or 4?
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Stop the #NorthernPowercut: The great North-South divide when it comes to big transport projects - Manchester Evening News
At long last MEN has grasped the nettle !
At long last MEN has grasped the nettle !
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Northern Powerhouse
Great article in today's Guardian exposes the Northern Powerhouse funding to be nothing but a sham. Very little of the money is new, much would be there as Business as Usual. Questions need to be asked, the more the media catches on to this the better.
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I wonder if EK21/22 will see an upgrade to A380 tomorrow to help minimise connection problems - currently its showing as a 777 and I daresay EK20 will be going out full (scheduled now for 10.10pm). Today's EK18 is due out at 1pm tomorrow.
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Can't believe so many were taken in by Boy George. It was an election- it's over now & its business as usual. The UK + London= 2 different countries. Aka ( northern powerhouse my a*se)
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Businesses, industry leaders, and campaigners say not enough is being spent on infrastructure outside of the UK
Ooops.....seems the local rag thinks the South East and the UK are synonymous. #fail but we know what they mean even if they can't manage to say it.
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To be fair whilst "rail" IS clearly a priority issue running into the sidings, at least it's a start, the other parts of the axis in Labour run Gtr Manchester do at least seem to be mildly satisfied with what's on offer in other areas. So much so that Labour London is apoplectic with Labour Manchester ! The pressure does however need to be kept on !
Whilst Osborne may well keep tripping up, at least now we have a great big beating stick known as publicity with which to give him "a firm thrashing"(Old Etonian), this will happen everytime there is another Channel Tunnel, Olympic Village, Crossrail 1, Crossrail 2 and dare I suggest it Heathrow/Gatwick. The embarrassment will surely build ?
Talking of embarrassment it is high time somebody gave Labour London a good kicking as well.
It's no secret that Andy Burnham detests DevoMan and the Labour run administration in the Republic Of Mancunia BUT that is no reason to let his constituents down !
Manchester AMD specifically Manchester Airport has to be his priority, LHR a secondary concern.
Do Labour have a none to subtle hidden agenda as well ?
Same day as Manchester announces expansion of its terminals he makes a statement saying he is "in agreement" with expanding LHR , he is the MP for Leigh.....!
We then get a non to subtle tirade in The Spectator tearing Jim ONeill apart, he had the temerity to suggest "dual airport expansion" as a part of NP !
And then last week The Labour Party to a man were whipped into line to support LHR expansion, they did not have a clue what they were supporting other than an opportunistc attempt to give Cam a kicking in respect of Boris and Zac.
Utterly pathetic shower on both sides of the house !
Why is the support of MAN so peepoor on all sides, it is totally disproportionate to the size of the place ?
Ps I also wish they would stop quoting HS2 jargon as though this is about to deliver some kind of salvation. Maybe in 30 years and even that is debateable. It should not even be part of the current initiatives !
To be fair whilst "rail" IS clearly a priority issue running into the sidings, at least it's a start, the other parts of the axis in Labour run Gtr Manchester do at least seem to be mildly satisfied with what's on offer in other areas. So much so that Labour London is apoplectic with Labour Manchester ! The pressure does however need to be kept on !
Whilst Osborne may well keep tripping up, at least now we have a great big beating stick known as publicity with which to give him "a firm thrashing"(Old Etonian), this will happen everytime there is another Channel Tunnel, Olympic Village, Crossrail 1, Crossrail 2 and dare I suggest it Heathrow/Gatwick. The embarrassment will surely build ?
Talking of embarrassment it is high time somebody gave Labour London a good kicking as well.
It's no secret that Andy Burnham detests DevoMan and the Labour run administration in the Republic Of Mancunia BUT that is no reason to let his constituents down !
Manchester AMD specifically Manchester Airport has to be his priority, LHR a secondary concern.
Do Labour have a none to subtle hidden agenda as well ?
Same day as Manchester announces expansion of its terminals he makes a statement saying he is "in agreement" with expanding LHR , he is the MP for Leigh.....!
We then get a non to subtle tirade in The Spectator tearing Jim ONeill apart, he had the temerity to suggest "dual airport expansion" as a part of NP !
And then last week The Labour Party to a man were whipped into line to support LHR expansion, they did not have a clue what they were supporting other than an opportunistc attempt to give Cam a kicking in respect of Boris and Zac.
Utterly pathetic shower on both sides of the house !
Why is the support of MAN so peepoor on all sides, it is totally disproportionate to the size of the place ?
Ps I also wish they would stop quoting HS2 jargon as though this is about to deliver some kind of salvation. Maybe in 30 years and even that is debateable. It should not even be part of the current initiatives !
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Edinburgh in bid to lure Scotland's first direct flight with China (From Evening Times)
Now it's a lot going on with 3 airports competing for direct flights to Mainland China
Now it's a lot going on with 3 airports competing for direct flights to Mainland China
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Here we go again, airlines saturating routes- this time AMS & VIE, common sense will tell you nobody will make any money. It happened before with Berlin & Madrid. They all piled in after no services, saturated it, & then all pulled out. Meanwhile nobody serves Bordeaux, Lyon or Seville.
I despair at some of these route planning people.
I despair at some of these route planning people.
There must be a team at MAN who liaise with the route planning depth.
Do they outline "opportunities " "scoping docs" etc ?
Do they outline "opportunities " "scoping docs" etc ?
Yes I bet they have, and come up with 5 x KLM , 3 x EZY & 6 x Flybe to AMS on some days. That gives you 14 chances to connect to Lyon, Bordeaux or Seville. What a waste of resources.
Meanwhile commercial confidentiality has to be respected by both sides if trust is to be retained.
And of course if airline A gets wind of something airline B is thinking of and airline A were also thinking about, airline A has two choices - point their resources elsewhere or fight for market share. In the latter case, it's often good for consumers in the short term but can end in tears for all parties in the worst case as we have seen. That's the commercial world we live in. So we will have to wait and see what happens with these.
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Air China is confirming this on when sending them direct messages via Facebook. They are saying the route is in prospective and start the service using a b777 aircraft
Air China is confirming this on when sending them direct messages via Facebook. They are saying the route is in prospective and start the service using a b777 aircraft
What an airline says on public media, what is proprietary and what is actually going on behind company closed doors are very different things.
As mentioned on here previously, like Hainan, I'd leave Air China alone and let them get in with what needs to be done. They don't need someone pestering them for info and updates when they are in no position to give any.
As mentioned on here previously, like Hainan, I'd leave Air China alone and let them get in with what needs to be done. They don't need someone pestering them for info and updates when they are in no position to give any.
Interesting that this proposed flight (PVG/MAN/EDI) goes to both MAN and EDI, both cities with Chinese Consulates - does Birmingham have one? Did I not read somewhere that a Chinese businessman has bought a building in Salford and has applied for planning permission to convert it into a 200+ bed hotel for Chinese tourists as its a convenient location for tours to both England & Scotland. Maybe the missing passengers from Air China were out scouting future business opportunities based on these two facts.
Chinese Hotel Plan For Eccles Office Building
I wonder if EK21/22 will see an upgrade to A380 tomorrow to help minimise connection problems - currently its showing as a 777 and I daresay EK20 will be going out full (scheduled now for 10.10pm). Today's EK18 is due out at 1pm tomorrow.
Anyone know what time the VS 789 is scheduled to depart?
It's no secret that Andy Burnham detests DevoMan and the Labour run administration in the Republic Of Mancunia BUT that is no reason to let his constituents down !
Manchester AMD specifically Manchester Airport has to be his priority, LHR a secondary concern.
Manchester AMD specifically Manchester Airport has to be his priority, LHR a secondary concern.
I agree Bagso - the local politicians of all sides seem to have been silent, at least in public, in recent years on any developments at MAN.
But while the focus in the country is on the South East, MAN is at least getting on with updating its passenger facilities at last. Posts here and elsewhere suggest the airlines and others have been involved from a very early stage which is exactly how it should be done. They will feel involved and hopefully will already be looking at opportunities the developments could bring them.
And no fuss, no hoo-hah from the locals here. So hopefully the developments will proceed apace whilst I think whatever the decision is for the SE will be open to all sorts of challenges and delayed beyond the 10 -15 year time frame. By that time some demand will have spilled over to Manchester and other UK airports (as well as other places in Europe), so with these developments Manchester will be well placed to offer an alternative to some carriers who see enough demand in the UK .
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Talking of embarrassment it is high time somebody gave Labour London a good kicking as well.
It's no secret that Andy Burnham detests DevoMan and the Labour run administration in the Republic Of Mancunia BUT that is no reason to let his constituents down !
Manchester AMD specifically Manchester Airport has to be his priority, LHR a secondary concern.
Manchester AMD specifically Manchester Airport has to be his priority, LHR a secondary concern.
Same day as Manchester announces expansion of its terminals he makes a statement saying he is "in agreement" with expanding LHR , he is the MP for Leigh.....!
Burnham is a career politician parachuted into the safe seat of Leigh in 2001. He never seems to have supported the Airport or the North West and of course at the moment is trying to get as many votes as possible in the Labour leadership contest. Probably a few votes to be gained by supporting LHR which seems to be Labour policy - little to be gained by saying anything about Manchester.
This is where Miliband failed, he was/is so London-centric with no idea of what occurs throughout the country beyond London travel zone 1.
And then last week The Labour Party to a man were whipped into line to support LHR expansion, they did not have a clue what they were supporting other than an opportunistc attempt to give Cam a kicking in respect of Boris and Zac.
So, no opportunism on this issue. Dither, delay and incompetence, definitely, but not opportunism.
Actually there is a lot of support for Heathrow rwy expansion throughout the UK, especially among northern Labour MPs and, of course, SNP MPs.
Why is the support of MAN so peepoor on all sides, it is totally disproportionate to the size of the place ?
Why is that taken as "peepoor" support for Ringway?
Edinburgh-China link
Edinburgh in bid to lure Scotland's first direct flight with China (From Evening Times)
Now it's a lot going on with 3 airports competing for direct flights to Mainland China
Edinburgh in bid to lure Scotland's first direct flight with China (From Evening Times)
Now it's a lot going on with 3 airports competing for direct flights to Mainland China
My money’s on MAN, but not for a while.
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Why is the support of MAN so peepoor on all sides, it is totally disproportionate to the size of the place ?
Who says that it is? The issue is on this occasion is Heathrow rwy expansion, so MPs are taking a view on that.
Why is that taken as "peepoor" support for Ringway?
Why is that taken as "peepoor" support for Ringway?
From your London-centric viewpoint, Frank, you wouldn't be expected to know that public support by MPs for any developments and issues at Manchester has been sadly lacking in recent years. Mind you they haven't been opposing things either; just strangely silent compared to previous years.