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It is not badly worded because Dublin is a gateway to the United States and as has been said many use it.
The fact is even when we have direct flights people will still use other services many because of price. For example would you argue that Dubai is not a gateway to Asia and many MAN originating passengers use it to connect for HKG even when we have a direct flight.
The fact is even when we have direct flights people will still use other services many because of price. For example would you argue that Dubai is not a gateway to Asia and many MAN originating passengers use it to connect for HKG even when we have a direct flight.
And I made the mistake of checking some seat maps for today's flights on AA and DL to JFK from MAN & DUB.
Ours look about 50% & 60% full on the 767/757.
DUB showed just a few seats available on the AA and DL was about 90% full on their 767!
Incidentally, LHR isn't all that busy on the 2 AA flights to PHL I looked at.
BHX looks just under half full on the AA to JFK.
I know it's only 1 day and seat maps are only a guide.
Any special factors at play, other of course US pre-clearance and APD
Ours look about 50% & 60% full on the 767/757.
DUB showed just a few seats available on the AA and DL was about 90% full on their 767!
Incidentally, LHR isn't all that busy on the 2 AA flights to PHL I looked at.
BHX looks just under half full on the AA to JFK.
I know it's only 1 day and seat maps are only a guide.
Any special factors at play, other of course US pre-clearance and APD
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Maybe its a trade mission re Airport City ?
You really would not want them to fly into LHR perhaps reaffirming the fact that you had a "lack of Chinese connectivity" and with no direct flight maybe a charter is appropriate ?
Ps knowing our luck it will be a Chinese Womens netball team visiting Sheffield or similar !
You really would not want them to fly into LHR perhaps reaffirming the fact that you had a "lack of Chinese connectivity" and with no direct flight maybe a charter is appropriate ?
Ps knowing our luck it will be a Chinese Womens netball team visiting Sheffield or similar !
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Dublin does have something that Manchester doesn't have. It has United States preclearance and quite a few destinations to cities that they don't fly to such as San Francisco.
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It has United States preclearance and quite a few destinations to cities that they don't fly to such as San Francisco.
Destination wise, what DUB has that MAN doesn't are Charlotte and San Fransisco. On the flip side, MAN has Sanford, Las Vegas and Miami that DUB hasn't, so one could say MAN has the edge on that front.
The frequency from DUB however, is much higher on most routes, with multiple daily BOS/ORD/IAD/EWR, and slightly higher daily frequency on JFK.
However, all this aside, I don't see what the DUB paranoia is all about? Yes, we are leaking pax to them USA wise, but no worse than LHR/AMS/CDG/FRA, so why we single them out is a bit strange.
Just let DUB does what it does, and MAN does what it does. Both airports excell in certain areas, DUB's strong point is USA, but MAN's is primarily going east. We may gift them USA pax but we may get a fair few of their Eastbound pax
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And speaking of strength going East, EK are in the news.
Emirates launch Ł5m contact centre at Manchester Business Park and pledge commitment to 'Northern Powerhouse' - Manchester Evening News
Emirates launch Ł5m contact centre at Manchester Business Park and pledge commitment to 'Northern Powerhouse' - Manchester Evening News
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Re DUB I also think some on this thread are thinking from the perspective of the resident within ten miles of Manchester centre. From the wider catchment area, say Leeds or Liverpool, Dublin is just another choice. Normally I prefer to fly out of MAN to the States but if the combination of times, fares, and comfort were right I'd consider LBA to Dublin as an option. Particularly coming back after a night on the plane with the body clock at 3am and the traffic at 8am the last leg home across the Pennines can be a drag.
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I think paranoia has indeed crept in...
2 or 3 light hearted but cryptic comments "specifically " about the MEN and somehow the thread is hijacked into a full blown debate about the merits or otherwise of using Dublin ?
2 or 3 light hearted but cryptic comments "specifically " about the MEN and somehow the thread is hijacked into a full blown debate about the merits or otherwise of using Dublin ?
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Don't often dip into the Bournemouth thread but an enterprising poster there suggests Average load on new Flybe MAN service is 56......not bad !
In other news.....
Station Announcer Manchester Airport
The 2015 service to Leeds will now be departing in at least 10 years time….
In other news.....
Station Announcer Manchester Airport
The 2015 service to Leeds will now be departing in at least 10 years time….
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Noted today AA9262 B763 routed MAN-BHX for a sick 757 at latter.
Why was there a spare AA 763 at MAN as the other 2 763 routes NY and ORD had already departed from MAN ..is a spare common an MAN ?
Nigel
Why was there a spare AA 763 at MAN as the other 2 763 routes NY and ORD had already departed from MAN ..is a spare common an MAN ?
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I believe yesterdays flight went tech so the aircraft had been in MAN overnight.
The OTP of the ORD/JFK routes have been atrocious from MAN this summer. I dont think there has been any week since March where one of the flights have not either been cancelled or severly delayed.
The OTP of the ORD/JFK routes have been atrocious from MAN this summer. I dont think there has been any week since March where one of the flights have not either been cancelled or severly delayed.
It's not just at MAN, numerous other routes are similar. Why are AA consistently so bad though? I mean, UA, DL and the former US all run similar vintage aircraft with nowhere near the same delays
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The OTP of the ORD/JFK routes have been atrocious from MAN this summer.
Fortunately for MAN, UA often look to be 80% and higher (on IAD as well) and DL usually at least 75%.
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Would you mind not posting misleading information based on nothing more scientific than a seat map.
You complain about poor publicity etc but are you not just making matters worse?
Thank you
Would you mind not posting misleading information based on nothing more scientific than a seat map.
You complain about poor publicity etc but are you not just making matters worse?
Thank you
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If seat maps overall are anything like accurate on the morning of departure, loads sometimes appear to be only 50-60% on both flights which for this time of year seems very disappointing
It is worth noting that the seat maps will only show those who have chosen the seats. There are still plenty that turn up to the airport having not chosen their seats and get allocated at check in.
Seat maps are far from any form of accurate load check.
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Seat maps are not confidential and are freely accessible for US carriers at a very early stage in the booking process. The CAA provisional stats available each month where only one carrier is flying a route will certainly give more specific and accurate information. If seat maps are totally unreliable, then I hold my hands up. But are you saying they don't give any sort of indication of loads? (I'm not talking weeks or even days in advance).
As to bad publicity I'm not sure I see the problem. Is it any worse than folk complaining about cancellations, the unreliability of a service and state of the aircraft being used, or a report on a specific flight with adverse comments.
As to bad publicity I'm not sure I see the problem. Is it any worse than folk complaining about cancellations, the unreliability of a service and state of the aircraft being used, or a report on a specific flight with adverse comments.
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Station Announcer Manchester Airport
The 2015 service to Leeds will now be departing in at least 10 years time….
The 2015 service to Leeds will now be departing in at least 10 years time….
The "pause" in TPE electrification should not affect the Airport in any meaningful sense at present.
The things that could are the request for a judicial review into the Ordsall Chord (to be heard in September) which, if the project is much delayed, will b*gger up the Northern hub and the additional capacity which will allow new routes to the Airport.
And secondly the award of the new TPE franchise - due in December - where the short listed companies have options to run more of their services across the N Pennine route to Liverpool rather than the Airport.
