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Does anyone know if they [LOT] are returning?, and also if they used to fly to Manchester. I swear I can remember seeing them before?
Bit like Austrian. In, out, in, out, shake it all about.
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Tattbenj. Yes LOT operated scheduled services from MAN for many years from about 1980 IIRC, and for many years before that with summer charter flights. They used IL18s and Tu134s, then later B737s, and then later still Embraer 170s and 175s.
Like many of the East European old guard (CSA, Malev, Interflug etc) LOT struggled once the low cost carriers became established. In LOT's case they tried to compete by forming their own supposed low cost subsidiary called Central Wings which took over the MAN flights for a short time. That experiment failed and they dropped the MAN route, and not long after that Central Wings folded completely.
Not sure why LOT would think they could compete now when they couldn't back then - there is more competition to Poland out of MAN, LPL, DSA etc now than there ever was.
Like many of the East European old guard (CSA, Malev, Interflug etc) LOT struggled once the low cost carriers became established. In LOT's case they tried to compete by forming their own supposed low cost subsidiary called Central Wings which took over the MAN flights for a short time. That experiment failed and they dropped the MAN route, and not long after that Central Wings folded completely.
Not sure why LOT would think they could compete now when they couldn't back then - there is more competition to Poland out of MAN, LPL, DSA etc now than there ever was.
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Still only speculation at the moment that they are coming back.
Per A.net. MAN is not in the destinations revealed so far which include Zurich and Nice apparently. We wait to see.
Still only speculation at the moment that they are coming back.
Per A.net. MAN is not in the destinations revealed so far which include Zurich and Nice apparently. We wait to see.
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Ryanair only operates twice weekly (rising to three weekly this Winter) on MAN - Warsaw Modlin. So the route from MAN isn't saturated at all, though other nearby regional airports do serve Warsaw as well. The main risk to LOT would be if Ryanair upped frequency on their own service in response to the challenge. They did this afew weeks ago on MAN-DUB when Aer Lingus bizarrely announced their phantom (???) increase on the route. Still no evidence of any extra flights from Aer Lingus.
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when Aer Lingus bizarrely announced their phantom (???) increase on the route. Still no evidence of any extra flights from Aer Lingus
I recently emailed Aer Lingus to ask where the supposed 6th daily flight was. They said they are 'still working on the winter schedules'. Given RYR managed to get their 6th daily loaded so quickly, I suspect the real response from EI should have read 'given the added capacity of RYR on MAN-DUB, we have decided against the 6th daily for now'.
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Thanks for that j636, but the Aer Lingus website is still selling 5 flights each way for the next two Sundays (I didn't check further ahead). I believe they did recently add some capacity coinciding with the 'Parklife' music festival weekend in Heaton Park ... maybe that was an ad-hoc increase? And that recent 'legends' match between Manchester United Geri-hatrics and Bayern Munchen Zimmers probably drew afew Dubliners to town as well.
LAX_LHR ... I think you're right there. Looks like EIN tugged on the tiger's tail and got themselves gored.
LAX_LHR ... I think you're right there. Looks like EIN tugged on the tiger's tail and got themselves gored.
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Manchester Airport gearing up for record-breaking summer holidays with 3.4m passengers jetting out - Manchester Evening News
Point gun at foot. Shoot.
Dublin is also once again popular, partly due to the many people in the north west with Irish heritage - and it being a gateway to the United States.
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and it being a gateway to the United States.
Ours look about 50% & 60% full on the 767/757.
DUB showed just a few seats available on the AA and DL was about 90% full on their 767!
Incidentally, LHR isn't all that busy on the 2 AA flights to PHL I looked at.
BHX looks just under half full on the AA to JFK.
I know it's only 1 day and seat maps are only a guide.
Any special factors at play, other of course US pre-clearance and APD
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You didn't read the article properly did you!
a) it's an Manchester Evening News article not a MAN publicity mailshot.
b) the bit about Dublin/US is part of a discussion with a business and tourism lecturer who was asked about why the places in the top 5 destinations are popular.
a) it's an Manchester Evening News article not a MAN publicity mailshot.
b) the bit about Dublin/US is part of a discussion with a business and tourism lecturer who was asked about why the places in the top 5 destinations are popular.
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You didn't read the article properly did you!
When we have flights to the US by AA, UA, DL, VS, TCX and TOM, to read in a Manchester newspaper that Dublin is a popular destination from MAN because DUB is a gateway to the US does tend to make one choke slightly on one's cornflakes if I may say so.
It's not that the statement is incorrect unfortunately, but if MAN is losing custom from its own direct services because of APD, US pre-clearance at DUB, fare structures or whatever, the comment rather adds salt to the wound. And for the uninitiated, it could be construed as DUB being a gateway because MAN doesn't have its own flights to the US.
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The full quote is "Dublin is also once again popular, partly due to the many people in the north west with Irish heritage - and it being a gateway to the United States."
Like it or not it seems that significant numbers of people head to the US via Dublin, so it seems reasonable that as the MEN views itself as an objective newspaper (we could argue for days whether it achieves that at all!) it should report that fact. I would imagine 99.99% of people reading the article will focus on the fact that it is a positive story for MAN, rather than the half sentence that mentions something that touches a nerve on here!
Now if they were reporting that MAN were having a push to persuade prospective US passengers that AA, UA, DL, VS, TCX and TOM direct from MAN was a lot more convenient that a stop in DUB then we would all be happy!
Like it or not it seems that significant numbers of people head to the US via Dublin, so it seems reasonable that as the MEN views itself as an objective newspaper (we could argue for days whether it achieves that at all!) it should report that fact. I would imagine 99.99% of people reading the article will focus on the fact that it is a positive story for MAN, rather than the half sentence that mentions something that touches a nerve on here!
Now if they were reporting that MAN were having a push to persuade prospective US passengers that AA, UA, DL, VS, TCX and TOM direct from MAN was a lot more convenient that a stop in DUB then we would all be happy!
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No clarification required thank you curious pax.
Stating that
"..and Dublin is a gateway to the United States"
Sorry no excuses it reads poorly almost suggesting DUB has something that MAN does not !
We will beg to differ but looks like a gift of publicity in my book !
Stating that
"..and Dublin is a gateway to the United States"
Sorry no excuses it reads poorly almost suggesting DUB has something that MAN does not !
We will beg to differ but looks like a gift of publicity in my book !
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Oh dear getting carried away with a phrase which is meaningless to 99% of the traveling public.
Somebody should write to MAG and get them to price Aer Lingus out of the market and/or remove all slots up to 15.00 daily from them to force all passengers to fly via MAN.
Somebody should write to MAG and get them to price Aer Lingus out of the market and/or remove all slots up to 15.00 daily from them to force all passengers to fly via MAN.
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Oh good grief, this thread is finding something to fear everywhere. The passengers are still using MAN to get to DUB soooo not the end of the world. Given the rather poor offering in terms of hard product out of MAN, perhaps a boot up the backside is what the US majors need. Having said that they operate the same product out of DUB. However Aer Lingus do have more modern A330s with more to come.
Come on guys, it's not worth sweating over.
Come on guys, it's not worth sweating over.