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Old 18th Jun 2015, 15:47
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MANFOD.

Perhaps a generalisation .

You don;t know how many economy passengers (if any) were upgraded to business to part fill the cabin.Just because there may be 20 in business class certainly doesn't mean they are fully paid business passengers.

We recently travelled economy and as the business class was so empty (not a MAN flt) we and 3 other couples were upgraded to business at no extra cost.

Didn't seem to go down well with the few that had paid the full business rate !

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Old 18th Jun 2015, 16:18
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Given the discussion of US capacity it's possibly, but probably not suprising to see the airport pushing flights to San Francisco , not with a US carrier or indeed EI flying in that general direction but initially eastbound with KLM.
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Old 18th Jun 2015, 16:32
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Nigel.

I appreciate your point and is why I stress the importance of yield. But were you informed of the upgrade in advance or did it only happen at the gate? My experience suggests upgrades are more likely to happen with frequent flyers and the like, especially when economy is full, and is carried out at the gate when original boarding passes are switched. When that happens, I'm not sure the seat plan the day before would take that into account.

The seat plan this morning for the JFK which showed economy full and only 6 seats taken in Business could well have resulted in a few upgrades later at the gate, but I hope they hadn't already been reflected in the 6! But yes, not all will have paid the full price and maybe even staff have been allocated J class seats - does that happen?
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Old 18th Jun 2015, 17:03
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They were much better off in T2. It's partly up to American which one of JFK/ORD/PHL to promote really, might they be better (he said repeating himself) offering two destinations from T2 across a A332/B772 and a B757/B767?
Skip, although we don't always see eye to eye on MAN issues, in my view you make a fair point, or rather raise a valid question.

I very much hope it doesn't happen but if AA were to promote only two of the current 3 routes i.e. drop one of them, what factors would they take into account?

Take up of Business Class seats and at what fares.
Any significant customer contracts in place.
Overall yields on the routes.
The ratio of transfer pax to O & D for the 3 routes. If, for example, PHL has most transfer pax, what are the final destinations and would reasonable options be available from the other two US hubs?
Competition - only applies to New York.
Freight carried.
Seasonal variations.

If service reliability, condition & comfort of aircraft and T3 experience are as poor as being claimed by some, it would seem AA face an uphill battle, particularly with potential higher yield customers. Maybe MAN facilitating a terminal move would be a start.

Delta appear to have a loyal customer base and I gather their JFK service has got off to a reasonable start.
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Old 18th Jun 2015, 20:33
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Munich

Nightstopper upgrades from scheduled A320 to A321.
I do a MAN Based Airliners log each night and the aircraft type normally Varies
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Old 18th Jun 2015, 22:29
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Hence my disclaimer at the bottom of the post.

Lufthansa throw anything from a B737 to A321 on the FRA/MUC flights, which often varies from what they load in advance in the timetable.

So, while the MUC nightstopper is scheduled as A320, the reality is that the A319/A321 can appear.

The point of my post was that larger equipment was scheduled across the board.
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Old 19th Jun 2015, 06:56
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Oops I must shut my eyes through that. Thanks for the info though.
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Old 19th Jun 2015, 08:48
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EASYJET

Apologies if this has been reported previously, but looking at November schedules, we seem to have some increased frequencies:

e.g.
AMS is 16 x weekly

BERLIN 9 x weekly (used to be 5 or 6)

BFS 19 x weekly with 4 flights Friday.

MUC 5 x weekly (used to be 4)

Have not checked all destinations for any other increases or reductions (except Moscow being dropped).
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Old 19th Jun 2015, 09:21
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They were mentioned a while back, but no harm in reminding of increases. CPH gains an extra flight on sundays and GVA has an extra flight or two IIRC too.
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oh jeez I dont think they know if theyre coming or going. The weird EDI routes were another example. LPL was never going to work, we could all have told them that...
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Old 19th Jun 2015, 12:23
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Be careful of reading too much into seat maps. AA and US frequent flyers can confirm upgrades as early as four days ahead of departure. For top tier members such upgrades are free, others may have to use miles.
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Hi MANFOD.

We were actually boarding the plane , am a bit confused as I probably only fly twice a year, leisure and never happened before and doubt it will again..

Still whatever the reason it was a bonus

Take care.


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Old 19th Jun 2015, 15:07
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount
oh jeez I dont think they know if theyre coming or going. The weird EDI routes were another example. LPL was never going to work, we could all have told them that...
Who, exactly?
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Old 19th Jun 2015, 16:11
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turn of phrase as you well know. If you need to know the answer to 'who' youre in the wrong game.
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Czech airlines

LPL back on the Czech website with the previously planned flights. All very mysterious!
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Old 19th Jun 2015, 16:59
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T1 was only used so the taxi way could be repaired as a couple of stands were taken out of service. The good thing about AA being in t3 is that if there is an issue such as late running aircraft or cancellations, they can be rebooked onto the BA and shuttled through LHR. Not ideal but better than nothing.
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Old 19th Jun 2015, 17:12
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That just smacks of preparing to fail - hardly inspires confidence in the AA product and further re-enforces existing perceptions.

''The bad news is your flight has been canceled.
The even worse news is that we are going to cart you down to Heathrow in completely the opposite direction and fly you right over Manchester again in several hours time. Have a nice day''

I can think of no good reason for flying out of T3 with a 'premium' offering. The two things are not compatible.
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T3

And don't forget, the reason for the dumbing down of T3 is largely down to FR, it was a perfectly reasonable terminal in the days of BA.
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turn of phrase as you well know. If you need to know the answer to 'who' youre in the wrong game
Or if you're referring to LPL, you're on the wrong thread?
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LOT Polish Airlines

According to Airliners.net, there is a possibility that LOT are to announce flights to Manchester later today as part of their expansion. Would be interesting to see if they would be able to survive being at Manchester, especially as Ryanair serve Modlin. Does anyone know if they are returning?, and also if they used to fly to Manchester. I swear I can remember seeing them before?
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