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Manchester Airport rail station had 3.3million passengers in 2013/14 which will not include MatroLink of course.
Gatwick has 16.2million in the same period
Birmingham International had 4.9million in the same period although clearly it also provides access for other things more than MAN and LGW.
LHR has a range of stations that I can't be bothered looking at and adding up.
So MAN has come a long way from zero rail passengers in 1992 to 3.3million now (doubling from ten years ago as well) but Gatwick shows that many more passengers could travel by rail even taking into account of the different number of passengers using the respective airports.
Fourth platform will help.
The other Northern Hub improvements will help (upping frequency and reducing travel time).
Western access would help if it ever happens.
Overall, 'The Station' is something that MAN can be proud of.
Gatwick has 16.2million in the same period
Birmingham International had 4.9million in the same period although clearly it also provides access for other things more than MAN and LGW.
LHR has a range of stations that I can't be bothered looking at and adding up.
So MAN has come a long way from zero rail passengers in 1992 to 3.3million now (doubling from ten years ago as well) but Gatwick shows that many more passengers could travel by rail even taking into account of the different number of passengers using the respective airports.
Fourth platform will help.
The other Northern Hub improvements will help (upping frequency and reducing travel time).
Western access would help if it ever happens.
Overall, 'The Station' is something that MAN can be proud of.
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One of the reasons why Gatwick has a lot of its pax using rail is that it has a significantly higher proportion of non-UK resident pax, as compared with MAN. Surveys show that such pax have a higher propensity to use public transport, mainly because (as non residents) they are less likely to have a private car here.
Also, Gatwick's location and the unattractiveness/cost of other forms of transport (such as taxis & buses) mean that the rail link into central London will always have an advantage.
So although there are opportunities to improve rail use at MAN (and the once hourly link to the south isn't the greatest offer!), we shouldn't pretend that it will ever achieve the levels of penetration that are seen elsewhere.
Also, Gatwick's location and the unattractiveness/cost of other forms of transport (such as taxis & buses) mean that the rail link into central London will always have an advantage.
So although there are opportunities to improve rail use at MAN (and the once hourly link to the south isn't the greatest offer!), we shouldn't pretend that it will ever achieve the levels of penetration that are seen elsewhere.
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From ManPress twitter...
We've just announced another new route today with @vueling to Barcelona from @manairport - Lifestyle / Spanish airline to join Manchester throng THEBUSINESSDESK.COM #FlyManchester
4 weekly
We've just announced another new route today with @vueling to Barcelona from @manairport - Lifestyle / Spanish airline to join Manchester throng THEBUSINESSDESK.COM #FlyManchester
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Great to see Vueling on board, I was always surprised that MAN oculd bag Iberia express but not Vueling, especially after the series of flights in December and January.
The route is 5 weekly in August, daily ex Mon/Wed.
In terms of competition, Vueling seem to enjoy it. They are the 4th carrier on BCN at BHX, go against double-digit flights at LGW and so on.
The route is 5 weekly in August, daily ex Mon/Wed.
In terms of competition, Vueling seem to enjoy it. They are the 4th carrier on BCN at BHX, go against double-digit flights at LGW and so on.
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Curious Pax
Yes had a thoroughly splendid day
Another new route.
....eeking into media consciouness re The Busness Desk
On Twitter
On Website
On Facebook
I'm sure it will be in the M E N and beyond in next 24hours !
Excellent
Yes had a thoroughly splendid day
Another new route.
....eeking into media consciouness re The Busness Desk
On Twitter
On Website
On Facebook
I'm sure it will be in the M E N and beyond in next 24hours !
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Been doing a bit of digging in the TCX website.
BGI,ANU & UVF are now winter only destinations.
For winter 15/16
There is
Tues MAN-ANU-BGI-MAN
Thurs MAN-UVF-BGI-MAN
Sun MAN-BGI-MAN
which is I think an increase.
I can't find anything to suggest there are any flights to TOB either for this year or next.
BGI,ANU & UVF are now winter only destinations.
For winter 15/16
There is
Tues MAN-ANU-BGI-MAN
Thurs MAN-UVF-BGI-MAN
Sun MAN-BGI-MAN
which is I think an increase.
I can't find anything to suggest there are any flights to TOB either for this year or next.
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I thought it had been decided BGI-ANU/UVF were winter only a while ago?
Great to see another increase with BGI getting a 3rd flight. The rumours of Reno also being added next winter is good news indeed.
Great to see another increase with BGI getting a 3rd flight. The rumours of Reno also being added next winter is good news indeed.
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With regards to rail connectivity:
You will find that LGW also has a fair share of commuters using the fast direct link from there into the city.
Other than that, MAN has no mainline services, whilst e.g. BHX is a mainline station serving many parts of the country. So it would be a feast for MAN to get to the same proportion of rail pax as BHX. A further platform may be beneficial, but doesn't address that it is essentially a terminus.
You will find that LGW also has a fair share of commuters using the fast direct link from there into the city.
Other than that, MAN has no mainline services, whilst e.g. BHX is a mainline station serving many parts of the country. So it would be a feast for MAN to get to the same proportion of rail pax as BHX. A further platform may be beneficial, but doesn't address that it is essentially a terminus.
To be fair it's a terminus that serves services covering the entire North of England (LGW isn't served by trains the entire length and breadth if the South) with services also serving Glasgow and Edinburgh. It's not some backwater halt you paint it to be.
Central Manchester
Crewe
Blackpool
Preston
Huddersfield
Leeds
Sheffield
Hull
Newcastle
Middlesbrough
Lake District
Carlisle
Glasgow
Edinburgh
Central Manchester
Crewe
Blackpool
Preston
Huddersfield
Leeds
Sheffield
Hull
Newcastle
Middlesbrough
Lake District
Carlisle
Glasgow
Edinburgh
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Other than that, MAN has no mainline services, whilst e.g. BHX is a mainline station serving many parts of the country
And lets not forget Insuindi, Birmingham International doesn't just serve BHX does it? Dont forget that large exhibition centre on the opposite side of the tracks to BHX that will be drawing a lots of the stations passengers.
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I'm not aware of any official definition of 'main line' and I work on the railways. I would,personally, define the TPE services to/from Scotland, Cleethorpes, the North East, Cumbria and Blackpool as main line as well as the forthcoming ATW North Wales services.
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UVF and ANU, as well as being tiny places relatively, are very much seasonal destinations ie the resorts more or less close down in the Summer.
Given the sizes of these places, MAN does very well indeed to get flights to these beautiful islands, perhaps only two or three places in the whole Europe can boast regular flights here.
[And as a plea..... can the train botherers please think twice about posting nonsense about trams, trains and rail timetables. You know what happened last time. I'm sure there are very good train fora to cater for your needs.]
Given the sizes of these places, MAN does very well indeed to get flights to these beautiful islands, perhaps only two or three places in the whole Europe can boast regular flights here.
[And as a plea..... can the train botherers please think twice about posting nonsense about trams, trains and rail timetables. You know what happened last time. I'm sure there are very good train fora to cater for your needs.]
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All names taken, whilst not wanting to see the train spotters take over the thread, rail connectivity is very important to any airport that has it, as is any form of surface transport. With the developments around the airport the rail link assumes even greater importance and common sense would say that a way should be sought to extend the link to the cargo centre which would allow it to become a multi modal centre.
As for Birmingham, back in the late 1990s it was reported that less than 20% of Birmingham International's passengers used the airport, its clientele being primarily NEC generated. I doubt that has changed significantly.
As for Birmingham, back in the late 1990s it was reported that less than 20% of Birmingham International's passengers used the airport, its clientele being primarily NEC generated. I doubt that has changed significantly.
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I wonder if the poster means "Mainline" in the context of the East Coast Mainline and West Coast Mainline. Services to Scotland are, of course, operated on the West Coast Mainline. Perhaps the poster is confused by the operator, First Transpennine Express, which is probably one of the most poorly named TOC. Wether TPE should operate the services and if they have the right equipment is not for this forum.
What I would say, is that MAN is very lucky to have such easy rail access across the catchment area. Coming from Leeds city centre the time difference between the train to MAN and the bus/driving to LBA is very little. That makes MAN a viable option for many more people than otherwise might be the case. The flip side is that the comparatively difficult ground access to LBA and the operational challenges at that airfield make passenger leakage inevitable.
What I would say, is that MAN is very lucky to have such easy rail access across the catchment area. Coming from Leeds city centre the time difference between the train to MAN and the bus/driving to LBA is very little. That makes MAN a viable option for many more people than otherwise might be the case. The flip side is that the comparatively difficult ground access to LBA and the operational challenges at that airfield make passenger leakage inevitable.
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I'd imagine that revenue from Car Parking at Manchester Airport, gives rise to a fair proportion of the total income for MA PLc ? Rail passengers however generate practically nothing, I'd have thought, apart from their spending once inside the Retail experiences in T1, 2 & 3. So rail expansion although good PR perhaps, is no big earner.
It appears that once again Apron space is to be sacrificed on the stands at the far end of freight (71 72 etc) for car parking this summer even though the massive new car park is soon to be fully operational down at the Heald Green end. When are MA going to develop UPWARDS rather than laterally all the time with car parking issues. Yes it may be more expensive to develop vertically, but
a) It's more convenient for the ever important passengers.
b) It saves precious land use.
c) Less congestion for residents round and about the perimeter of the airport.
5 aircraft were waiting the other morning (Because they were slightly early on their arrival times) for stands. It's pretty poor show that this happens (on a fairly regular basis) and that you have a regular "No Divs" notice pushed out because a lack of stand availability. After all it is what an Airport is supposedly designed for , - AEROPLANES, just because the bean counters appear to see Apron space as a valuable Car Park revenue generator!?
I don't see this being the case at Heathrow, Gatwick, Stansted or even Birmingham?
It appears that once again Apron space is to be sacrificed on the stands at the far end of freight (71 72 etc) for car parking this summer even though the massive new car park is soon to be fully operational down at the Heald Green end. When are MA going to develop UPWARDS rather than laterally all the time with car parking issues. Yes it may be more expensive to develop vertically, but
a) It's more convenient for the ever important passengers.
b) It saves precious land use.
c) Less congestion for residents round and about the perimeter of the airport.
5 aircraft were waiting the other morning (Because they were slightly early on their arrival times) for stands. It's pretty poor show that this happens (on a fairly regular basis) and that you have a regular "No Divs" notice pushed out because a lack of stand availability. After all it is what an Airport is supposedly designed for , - AEROPLANES, just because the bean counters appear to see Apron space as a valuable Car Park revenue generator!?
I don't see this being the case at Heathrow, Gatwick, Stansted or even Birmingham?
