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Old 27th May 2015, 18:54
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Nigel - Yes, I'm familiar with Air India's track-record over the years. I remember the A310 schedule via Rome very well. Indeed, that is partly why I don't wish to see a replay of Air India playing off one airport against another as they have done in the past. Bangladesh Biman have behaved similarly in more recent times - that worked out well! Messing about with the schedules as these two carriers have done undermines the credibility of the service and disrupts the opportunity to build loyalty and momentum in either market. Far better to develop standalone services from both BHX and MAN and develop them on their own merits.

Slightly off-topic: Seljuk22 has posted Emirates forthcoming network changes over on the 'Emirates' thread. No mention of the rumoured switch to a third daily A388 on MAN-DXB effective 01 Dec. But other changes are outlined elsewhere on the network effective from that date. I fear the third daily A388 rumour may have been a bit premature.
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Old 27th May 2015, 18:57
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Air India at BHX

Pulling out - Just the opposite !

BHX delegation in India as we speak

Paul Kehoe CEO tweeting saying excellent meeting with High Commissioner, UK in India, Brum, BHX and Shakespeare. Which will lead to making the schedule even more successful than it is now.

So dont hold your breath !
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Old 27th May 2015, 19:07
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To remind BHX5DME, AI went public with intention of increasing frequency to MAN as one of several key destinations that they wanted to expand in 1999. 6 weeks later, they pulled out. Other airlines have been known to sing high praises of a route only to withdraw shortly afterwards.

I, too, don't particularly like idea of substituting MAN for BHX. THere should be plenty of room for both services.
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Old 27th May 2015, 19:10
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Slightly off-topic: Seljuk22 has posted Emirates forthcoming network changes over on the 'Emirates' thread. No mention of the rumoured switch to a third daily A388 on MAN-DXB effective 01 Dec. But other changes are outlined elsewhere on the network effective from that date. I fear the third daily A388 rumour may have been a bit premature.


Shed,

There is a bit of shuffling to do before MAN gets announced. Our B77W is to be used on another European route, so, that gets the fanfare first, then the other.

EK19/20 upgrade was announced a mere 3 weeks before it happened. Last time I looked at my calander we were still in May, so, fear not!

BHX delegation in India as we speak

While I am not advocating the cessation of BHX, I do find it odd that a few weeks ago Paul Kehoe sent quite a few 'tweets' that seemed to indicate the MAN news had taken him by surprise and almost seemed peed off that MAN was suddenly on the table, and then all of a sudden this week he and Will Pearson is in Delhi to talk to Air India, and talk up the route in India.....

That screams a guy whos had has feathers ruffled and wanted assurances after putting up so much time and money getting Air India back.....
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Old 27th May 2015, 19:15
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Thanks for that, LAX_LHR. I'll keep the fingers crossed for December then.
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Old 27th May 2015, 19:51
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Originally Posted by LAX_LHR View Post
Shed,

There is a bit of shuffling to do before MAN gets announced. Our B77W is to be used on another European route, so, that gets the fanfare first, then the other.

EK19/20 upgrade was announced a mere 3 weeks before it happened. Last time I looked at my calander we were still in May, so, fear not!




While I am not advocating the cessation of BHX, I do find it odd that a few weeks ago Paul Kehoe sent quite a few 'tweets' that seemed to indicate the MAN news had taken him by surprise and almost seemed peed off that MAN was suddenly on the table, and then all of a sudden this week he and Will Pearson is in Delhi to talk to Air India, and talk up the route in India.....

That screams a guy whos had has feathers ruffled and wanted assurances after putting up so much time and money getting Air India back.....


Lax-lhr always speaks the sense on this forum !
Furthermore has anyone got access GDS to prove air India at Manchester ?
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Old 28th May 2015, 17:09
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Was on lunchtime EK flight today, coming back from HK via DXB and talking to crew at the bar they believed that 380 will be on the morning route very soon, as it is "such a game changer with their passengers" to quote them. Did not use CX service as I had to see someone in DXB before anyone comments. Incidentally load factors were good in all class's apparently and it is often difficult to get seats up stairs so the extra capacity is needed. As for AI I for one would not hold my breath, as having had to use them in India I can not say I was impressed in anyway shape or form, and as others have said the Indian centres of population in the UK are more midlands and SE than NW / NE so why Manchester. Another factor would be if you are doing business in "Incredible India" it is easier to change in the Gulf and fly on direct to your destination, as anyone who has experienced changing planes, or even arriving in India will tell you. Indian airports can be some what chaotic to say the least, so to minimalize any issues I have always, and will continue to do the DXB soft shoe shuffle where possible if internal travel is not required.


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Old 28th May 2015, 17:24
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Mr Mac

Whilst agreeing with you on Air India (not one of the best airlines in the world putting it kindly and erm not even the best airline in India) I would disagree with you on Delhi Airport which is a surprising pleasure to go through and to transit.
I'm ashamed to say I think it is better than Manchester physically.
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Old 28th May 2015, 21:51
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Jet2 LYS

Jet 1 weekly to LYS winter only on Saturdays
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Old 29th May 2015, 11:06
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Austrian confirmed as daily from 10th Sept
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Old 29th May 2015, 13:12
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With the INN flights over winter too means we have 2 OS flights on Saturdays.
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Old 29th May 2015, 15:17
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Austrian

In GDS 11.35 in and 13.10 out aircraft F100 on a few dates I checked but I suppose this will move to the ex LH Cityline 195's once they transfer.

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Old 29th May 2015, 15:47
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AUSTRIAN

Very good news for me (I think) connection wise, as I'm generally moving back to *A having fallen out with AF/KL - or more specifically Terminal 3.

I can see myself on this....although the timings look a little suspect. They smack more of a point to point schedule.
I was in VIE only a couple of weeks ago and had to go through FRA, which was a pain. There were two other (business) people in the security line at FRA behind me doing the same MAN-VIE trip.
Again though, I don't think this is going to be a biz friendly schedule. We'll see what it's like for connections.

OS is my favourite *A airline - a nice, friendly relaxed vibe about it and they are as efficient as LH or LX. VIE itself is not as great for the transit experience as it used to be before the new mega terminal addition but it still beats FRA or MUC hands down.

And for those who don't like being bussed to the gate, this is not for you. You WILL be bussed to your F100 aircraft parked out on the ramp.

For those that haven't been to Vienna for the tourist thing, it's a fabulous city but be prepared to be overwhelmed by huge Chinese tourist people juggernauts sweeping all before them. Also from Vienna Airport it's almost as quick to get to Bratislava (45 mins or so by bus) also worth visiting. You can easily do both in a short visit
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Old 29th May 2015, 18:51
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What happend to LH435 ORD-MUC?

Today's routing ORD-YUL-MAN-MUC
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Old 29th May 2015, 20:43
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Reports coming out that US department of homeland security have announced MAN (and LHR as well as some other EU airports) are to get pre clearance facilities.


No timescale given yet.
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Old 29th May 2015, 20:48
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Business wire.com confirms your posting LAX_LHR.

Thanks for the 'heads up'.
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Old 29th May 2015, 20:54
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Possible locations based on busy entry points to the US according to official release.
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Old 29th May 2015, 20:58
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It does indeed say negotiations with the 10 airports, but, I assume MAN would be up for having the facility, but its obviously up to the UK govt to give the thumbs up.
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Old 29th May 2015, 21:08
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The 10 airports for US pre-clearance trials are:
Brussels Airport, Belgium;
Punta Cana Airport, Dominican Republic;
Narita International Airport, Japan;
Amsterdam Airport Schipol, Netherlands;
Oslo Airport, Norway;
Madrid-Barajas Airport, Spain;
Stockholm Arlanda Airport, Sweden;
Istanbul Ataturk Airport, Turkey; and
London Heathrow Airport and
Manchester Airport, United Kingdom.

As you can see it not only EU airports
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Old 29th May 2015, 21:16
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I didn't say the list was exclusive to EU airports, I meant that some other EU countries were going for it.


Doing a bit of digging, it seems the list is only inclusive of governments that have already said they are willing to host US customs (hence no France or Germany airports despite their large US offering so one can assume they have said non/nein).


So, I assume the main work is done and negotiations refer to seeing which airlines willing are to pay for said service and where in the airports the sterile area could be (pier C or part of T2 stand out for MAN).
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