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Old 17th Feb 2015, 12:30
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Stand 49 use to have the BA B763 from JFK on it every morning so I don't know why stand 50 is being taken out of service even with winglets 49 use to take the AA 767 with winglets.

How many more stands are to be lost will have none left at this rate

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Old 17th Feb 2015, 14:19
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OK Sean Dillon I'll bite your fishing lure...


The deal with Jet2 and Air Asia X for an A330 has collapsed!
What kind of proof can you offer?
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Old 17th Feb 2015, 16:57
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T3 stand reconfiguation

T3 still affected by the legacy of having been designed for BA with a fleet of Classic 737s and pre-winglet 767s. Some reconfiguration has already been done but Stand 49 remains incompatible with the 767W and Stand 50 is only capable of taking a DH8 / EM75 and so is sacrificed for the greater good of having a decent remote bussing facility. The loss of Stand 50 is to some extent offset by greater availability of Stand 18 due to the ending of Little Red to Heathrow.

Jet 2 / Air Asia is indeed off, capacity taken up by wet-leased 757 and in-house B733.
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Old 17th Feb 2015, 17:38
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Hainan and qatar

Hi lovely people, what's the PAX figures for Qatar's services in and out Recently? Also what is going on with the Hainan announcement? I really hope nothing's got stuck in the pipeline 'gatwick'
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Old 17th Feb 2015, 20:15
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So - with the 'almost weekly' announcement of new routes and my glass being 'half full', I'm interested to hear what people think are the missing links in the MAN route network?
Particularly back in the real world on short haul, lest a veritable feast of long haul pipe dreams are ventured....
I'd venture returns for Bratislava, Luxembourg, Katowice.
Thoughts?
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Old 17th Feb 2015, 20:24
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Think there's a place for flybe NQY-MAN to go to double daily with morning and evening flights.

The numbers on this route would back thks up. The route will be 10 weekly for summer up from 8 on last year, however these are fairly close together in the afternoons on the days it operates twice a day.

Morning and evening would allow day returns and the best chance for onward connections.

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Old 17th Feb 2015, 21:03
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Routes MAN hasn't got that I think could be economically viable....hmmmm..

Get Air India out of BHX and into MAN

Charm the proverbial off WestJet to start a YYT or YHX service in 2016 like DUB and GLA

Try and get Rouge to at least go daily in summer and try and get a year round service.

Those are the first that came to my mind anyways.

Oh wait....I did the long haul thing.....sorry

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Old 17th Feb 2015, 22:09
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Why would Air India want to 'get out of BHX and into MAN' when their customers live in The Midlands ?
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Old 17th Feb 2015, 22:12
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Because as a non British resident, I thought there may be a large enough population of people with Indian descent in Manchester to tempt them out. Apologies if this comment was made in ignorance.
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Old 18th Feb 2015, 03:00
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Incidentally, re. my mention of the possibility of a/c stands to the east of T2: I seem to recall seeing a plan which effectively made T2 double sided for part of its length i.e. providing contact and not just remote stands. Whether that was part of an official option or more a sketch by someone making a suggestion, I don't remember. That space between the vehicle exit road from departures level and the T2 structure is a car park at present, for staff I assume.
The current favoured plan 'allegedly' involves extending T2 in both directions, including into the car parks at one end and linking it up to T1 at the other. C Pier at T1 is to be demolished to finally get rid of the PITA bottleneck around it and T2 will also have two piers added so aircraft will park on those rather than nose in to the terminal as is currently the case.
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Old 18th Feb 2015, 05:40
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I'm interested to hear what people think are the missing links in the MAN route network? Particularly back in the real world on short haul

Bucharest, a mid-German route (Dresden?), Santiago, Seville, Bordeaux, Ankara and Tromso are routes I could see with having a chance.


In terms of expansion, Austrian with links to their network via VIE, more options to Geneva in summer, more flights to Nice and lastly an expanded schedule to Lyon (currently only 2 flights in winter, both on Saturday).
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Old 18th Feb 2015, 07:49
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I'm interested to hear what people think are the missing links in the MAN route network?
Particularly back in the real world on short haul
Don't really have a view on Ankara and Tromso, but the others that LAX mentions are a good call in my view. I certainly agree that Nice and Lyon are underserved from MAN.

There was a rumour that Austrian have applied for slots for MAN-Vienna. If they were to restart, that might rule out Bratislava which is fairly close although a different country. If they don't, Bratislava might just work despite Jet2 flying to Vienna. As to Katowice, do we know how RYR perform on the Polish routes we still have? It's unfortunate that LPL got in first with the Poland boom through Ryanair and Wizz.

Long haul, I believe Thailand (Bangkok) and India are high in the list of countries unserved from MAN direct. However, I think a careful analysis is required to see which hubs passengers originating from MAN are using. (which I'm sure MAN will have). If there is a wide spread of carriers via AMS, FRA, LHR and the Middle East, then a direct service should not significantly affect the flights by those carriers to and from their hubs. If however, BKK has a majority of connecting pax flying via Dubai with EK for example, that could be more of a concern. The other side of the coin of course is that direct, non-stop services would attract outbound and inbound passengers not currently using MAN at all. I still see potential in the US with maybe a seasonal MIA (winter) and a seasonal BOS (summer).
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Old 18th Feb 2015, 08:12
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Maybe not Tromso, but Trondheim has potential
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Old 18th Feb 2015, 08:37
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I think Manchester has all the Norway it needs.

Lyon does seem under-served.
Bucharest has to be top of the list in terms of un-served EU destinations. I really quite like the place.

Ankara - I would say is a total non starter. It barely has any international flights anyway. A huge, shiny and over-spec terminal with hardly any people in it for most of the day. Turkish will happily funnel you through IST or you can get good connections through FRA or MUC. Very little demand for a non-stop I would guess.

Can't believe we haven't got BTS when so many other airports have.
JET2 is the problem here in my opinion. We end up with the worst of both worlds: no hub connections at VIE and no BTS.
OS should serve VIE as a *A hub - this would enhance the existing LH hub offerings.
That would leave the way open for RYR to serve BTS
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Old 18th Feb 2015, 08:50
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[quote = Una Due Tfc]Because as a non British resident, I thought there may be a large enough population of people with Indian descent in Manchester to tempt them out. Apologies if this comment was made in ignorance.[/quote]

Una, the Asian population in Birmingham is mainly of Indian descent/origin, but in Manchester (and certainly here in Yorkshire) the population is mainly Pakistani.
A huge number of connections are offered by the ME3 & Turkish across all of Asia. Many passengers would have to connect onwards at BOM/DEL/ISB etc anyway, so DXB/DOH/AUH really make no difference and probably a better & more reliable schedule.
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Old 18th Feb 2015, 08:52
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Am I right in thinking that Tarom have previously served MAN-BUC, with RomBac 1-11s and Tu154s?
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Correct Graham but quite a few years ago, market is very different now
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Old 18th Feb 2015, 10:41
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The Indian population of Manchester doesn't even get listed in the top 10 and Tier 4 visa requirements quickly return international students after studies completed.

"Provided you have studied a course of at least 12 months in length, your Tier 4 visa should expire four months after your course completion date."

My Indian work colleague will use one of the MEB3 for any journeys 'home'.
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Old 18th Feb 2015, 14:22
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Sarah19981.

Re Qatar passenger figures for MAN.

CAA Stats for Jan show them down nearly 10%.Stand corrected but think this is the 3rd month in a row they are down..?

No doubt they will announce triple daily soon then


EK and Etihad were however up over 6% each .


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Old 18th Feb 2015, 15:02
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The data is a little old, but gives an indication of what the airport routes team are aiming at.


Short Haul
*Gdansk - Indirect traffic from MAN in 2011 to GDN was 5,000. Leakage from the MAN catchment was 81,000 (CAA 2011).
*Kaunas - Leakage from the MAN catchment was 46,000 (CAA 2011).
*Nuremberg - Indirect traffic from MAN in 2011 to NUE was 13,541 (MIDT 2011). Leakage from the MAN catchment was 4,000 (CAA 2011).
*Poznan - Indirect traffic from MAN in 2011 to POZ was 2,014. Leakage from the MAN catchment was 50,000 (CAA 2011).
*Riga - Indirect traffic from MAN in 2011 to RIX was 3,000. Leakage from the MAN catchment was 70,000 (CAA 2011).
*Vienna - Indirect traffic from MAN in 2011 to VIE was 34,493 (MIDT 2011). Leakage from the MAN catchment was 44,000 (CAA 2011).
*Vilnius - Indirect traffic from MAN in 2011 to VNO was 4,500. Leakage from the MAN catchment was 3,000 (CAA 2011).
*Wroclaw


Long Haul


*Guangzhou - Indirect traffic from MAN in 2011 to CAN was 18,637 (MIDT 2011). Leakage from the MAN catchment to London airports was zero as no direct services operated in 2011.
*Houston - Indirect traffic from MAN in 2011 to IAH was 16,000 (MIDT 2011). Leakage from the MAN catchment to London airports was 40,000 (CAA 2011).
*San Francisco - Indirect traffic from MAN in 2011 to SFO was 35,000 (MIDT 2011). Leakage from the MAN catchment to London airports was 45,000 (CAA 2011).
*Shanghai - Indirect traffic from MAN in 2011 to PVG was 47,000 (MIDT 2011). Leakage from the MAN catchment to London airports was 28,000 (CAA 2011).


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