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EY having another attempt at sending an A346 to MAN on four evening flights from 20-23Sep - perhaps this will be the last chance to see an EY A346 at MAN ? Followed from 24Sep-30Sep by a week's worth of B789 flights, again on the evening service.
Found some news. May affect MAN, may not. From S18:
CX 307
HKG - DUB
0050/0645
Mon, Wed, Thu, Sat
CX 306
DUB - HKG
1155/0705
Mon, Wed, Thu, Sat
CX 307
HKG - DUB
0050/0645
Mon, Wed, Thu, Sat
CX 306
DUB - HKG
1155/0705
Mon, Wed, Thu, Sat
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I would say the new CX flight to DUB will have more affect on LHR loads (and given the scale of LHR, even that effect will be negligible).
MAN will just continue pooling along doing what it's doing.
MAN will just continue pooling along doing what it's doing.
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'New' AC Vancouver services to Paris and Zurich for S18 and more annoyingly LHR getting a double daily. There was a rumour about AC MAN-YVR knocking around last November. End of?
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End of for now.
Next year is going to be, compared to previous years, quite depressing on the long haul front.
We have had anew long haul airline every year for the past 5 years at least, but next year will likely feature no new airlines.
We are only gaining SEA as a new route next summer, with SNU being transferred from TOM to MT. We loose MIA, AUA and AA to JFK.
Going to be a lean 2018, but maybe that gives more room for this TP to be done without too much disruption.
Next year is going to be, compared to previous years, quite depressing on the long haul front.
We have had anew long haul airline every year for the past 5 years at least, but next year will likely feature no new airlines.
We are only gaining SEA as a new route next summer, with SNU being transferred from TOM to MT. We loose MIA, AUA and AA to JFK.
Going to be a lean 2018, but maybe that gives more room for this TP to be done without too much disruption.
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I've read in 'Which?' that MAG has 3 terminals in the bottom five for customer satisfaction in the country:
MAN T3
STN
MAN T1
Expect T2 to join the hall of shame soon as the TP kicks in
Now I know that MAG don't think of passengers as customers, instead they think of airlines and concessionaires as customers and they will of course blame everything and everyone but themselves but something needs to be done.
T3 - is in my opinion approaching developing nation levels of awfulness.
I've been through twice in the last 2 weeks: the first time the small circular boarding area around Gates 46/46 was so congested and crowded it felt dangerous - god knows what would have happened in a fire.
On my second flight, my checked in bag took 5 minutes less than the flight at the shambles of a baggage area where the belt notifications weren't even being updated.
Shame on them
MAN T3
STN
MAN T1
Expect T2 to join the hall of shame soon as the TP kicks in
Now I know that MAG don't think of passengers as customers, instead they think of airlines and concessionaires as customers and they will of course blame everything and everyone but themselves but something needs to be done.
T3 - is in my opinion approaching developing nation levels of awfulness.
I've been through twice in the last 2 weeks: the first time the small circular boarding area around Gates 46/46 was so congested and crowded it felt dangerous - god knows what would have happened in a fire.
On my second flight, my checked in bag took 5 minutes less than the flight at the shambles of a baggage area where the belt notifications weren't even being updated.
Shame on them
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End of for now.
Next year is going to be very lean, compared to previous years, quite depressing on the long haul front.
We have had a new long haul airline every year for the past 5 years at least, but next year will likely feature no new airlines.
We are only gaining SEA as a new route next summer, with SNU being transferred from TOM to MT. We loose MIA, AUA and AA to JFK.
Going to be a lean 2018, but maybe that gives more room for this TP to be done without too much disruption.
Next year is going to be very lean, compared to previous years, quite depressing on the long haul front.
We have had a new long haul airline every year for the past 5 years at least, but next year will likely feature no new airlines.
We are only gaining SEA as a new route next summer, with SNU being transferred from TOM to MT. We loose MIA, AUA and AA to JFK.
Going to be a lean 2018, but maybe that gives more room for this TP to be done without too much disruption.
With no new stands ( they didn't listen) it's hardly suprisingly there will be zero growth, there is simply put no room, they are trying to push the likes of EK QR and EY into starting Stansted on the back of Manchester so no doubt it's a strategic manoeuvre. You can't use the aircraft twice. The Australian shareholders don't forget are looking for a return from the group not an individual airport and Manchester is getting toward at the end of its current growth cycle.
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2018 horoscope (with one 'R')
It's all relative, I'm not depressed about 2018. I do agree that it will be something of a consolidation year but I doubt it will be 'one step back' following several forward. It's been a heady decade so far, from the low point of 17.7 million pax in 2010. The tyre smoke from the first A380 touchdown that September (7 years ago tomorrow) lit the blue touch paper for rocketing traffic growth. It's been breathtaking, adding almost 10 mppa in just 7 years. Now at 27.5 mppa rolling total it takes just around 3.5% growth year on year to add another million, that's about half the growth rate we've seen this decade and still very likely in 2018, meaning 30 mppa by the time the T2 extension opens in early 2020, maybe even a year before that. It can be achieved without more based aircraft, incremental additional off-peak non-based flying by existing airlines. I would watch the skies over India for a new bright comet, perhaps, or even a fourth daily whale. The East is most likely to bring new arrivals for now, I think. The North Atlantic waters have become crowded with convoys, and when a Pound equals a Dollar someone's gonna get their feet wet.
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True MAN were at 17.7m in 2010 but dont forget they were at 17.3m in 1998 !
10m in 7 years is fantastic but like most UK airports they were higher 12 years before.
10m growth in 19 years doesnt sound so good !
10m in 7 years is fantastic but like most UK airports they were higher 12 years before.
10m growth in 19 years doesnt sound so good !
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Terminal Illness -
Many many congratulations to the incumbents up top running MA Plc on their latest achievement!
"Terminals 1 and 3 at Manchester Airport named in worst airport list", announced in today's press!
How the Bosses and Councillors must take great pride in this accolade bestowed upon them by their customers, on a job well done!
How can an Airport that really laid claim claim to be among the BEST in the world just a few years ago, take such a mighty U -turn?
Everybody else could see it happening, but no body in the Great Olympic House were listening. Nobody it would appear, in Olympic house had any foresight, as to how the infrastructure of the Terminals was deteriorating at such a rapid rate. Make-overs appeared to be the CHEAP answer. Well they've certainly caught a cold on that one. Everybody knows that CHEAP does not fix underlying problems and Manchester has had these since the late 80's.
No real investment at all in Terminal expansion since T 2 was built. T3 is a typical nasty piece of Cheapness, that the travelling public have to put up with.
An airport that puts Car Parking ahead of Aircraft movement flexibility - unbelievable!
An airport that openly discourages Air Transport movements because of lack of space - pathetic planning in the Nth degree.
Freight traffic being actively discouraged. You're not telling me that from 5 years ago when we had Cathay Pacific Cargo, Dragonair Cargo, Malaysian Cargo, Great Wall Cargo, China Airlines Cargo, Air China cargo, Jett8 Cargo and numerous add-hoc Cargo operations, that this has all stopped purely due to the economic climate and under-belly space? We now learn that Lufthansa Cargo are leaving and I bet Fed-Ex aren't too far behind them, as they all apparently take up too much valuable space - probably for Cars !
An airport that knows its taxiway infrastructure is crumbling but does little about it, excepting emergency repairs and the occasional re-build.
An airport that keeps on taking up more and more land building car parks horizontally instead of vertically.
How long is this current re-development of T2 going to take? 5 - 10 years - how pathetic is that? Don't try and tell me that there isn't any money around, it's as cheap as chips to borrow so we are all being told and has been for 5 or six years, so why hasn't the Plc been borrowing and investing.
I feel better for that, but sad that our once fine facility, that was in most part way ahead in its time for planning for the future, has dropped so far behind that the position is almost irrecoverable.
Very well done MA Plc. - almost as good a performance as NOKIA !
Right, I'm ready for the flak
"Terminals 1 and 3 at Manchester Airport named in worst airport list", announced in today's press!
How the Bosses and Councillors must take great pride in this accolade bestowed upon them by their customers, on a job well done!
How can an Airport that really laid claim claim to be among the BEST in the world just a few years ago, take such a mighty U -turn?
Everybody else could see it happening, but no body in the Great Olympic House were listening. Nobody it would appear, in Olympic house had any foresight, as to how the infrastructure of the Terminals was deteriorating at such a rapid rate. Make-overs appeared to be the CHEAP answer. Well they've certainly caught a cold on that one. Everybody knows that CHEAP does not fix underlying problems and Manchester has had these since the late 80's.
No real investment at all in Terminal expansion since T 2 was built. T3 is a typical nasty piece of Cheapness, that the travelling public have to put up with.
An airport that puts Car Parking ahead of Aircraft movement flexibility - unbelievable!
An airport that openly discourages Air Transport movements because of lack of space - pathetic planning in the Nth degree.
Freight traffic being actively discouraged. You're not telling me that from 5 years ago when we had Cathay Pacific Cargo, Dragonair Cargo, Malaysian Cargo, Great Wall Cargo, China Airlines Cargo, Air China cargo, Jett8 Cargo and numerous add-hoc Cargo operations, that this has all stopped purely due to the economic climate and under-belly space? We now learn that Lufthansa Cargo are leaving and I bet Fed-Ex aren't too far behind them, as they all apparently take up too much valuable space - probably for Cars !
An airport that knows its taxiway infrastructure is crumbling but does little about it, excepting emergency repairs and the occasional re-build.
An airport that keeps on taking up more and more land building car parks horizontally instead of vertically.
How long is this current re-development of T2 going to take? 5 - 10 years - how pathetic is that? Don't try and tell me that there isn't any money around, it's as cheap as chips to borrow so we are all being told and has been for 5 or six years, so why hasn't the Plc been borrowing and investing.
I feel better for that, but sad that our once fine facility, that was in most part way ahead in its time for planning for the future, has dropped so far behind that the position is almost irrecoverable.
Very well done MA Plc. - almost as good a performance as NOKIA !
Right, I'm ready for the flak
I found my short hop to LHR a bit depressing. Firstly as the bus that previously ran for 40 years no longer runs, I had to use a taxi to T3, took about 10 minutes in a queue to get to a drop off point due congestion. Meandered around a cluttered overcrowded T3. Shuttle delayed with a weather slot, then when slot time arrived, delayed further due to taxiway congestion, whilst waiting for single runway ops departure. Then your heart sighs when the aircraft is turned off the taxiway because the powers that be have built a car park slap bang in the middle of an operational area.
Get a grip Manchester! The TP is 10 years away from completion, how are you going to manage between now and then? And it's with disbelief that after 10 years of TP disruption there will be no more extra stands.
The last thing manchester needs now are any more new services, they took their eye of the ball 10 years ago.
Get a grip Manchester! The TP is 10 years away from completion, how are you going to manage between now and then? And it's with disbelief that after 10 years of TP disruption there will be no more extra stands.
The last thing manchester needs now are any more new services, they took their eye of the ball 10 years ago.
Buses in Greater Manchester is a problem as funding is taken away by councils and they are being cut left right and centre.
The first part of TP is only about 3 yrs away and car parking has just had a great chunk taken away for the building works and had to beput somewhere, not idealI agree but as most heavy flights take off from 23L isn`t causing major problems. If you schedule flights to arrive a quiet times of the day and there are plenty even in mid summer it can be done. The main problem is in the winter when 80 aircraft need parking at night.
The first part of TP is only about 3 yrs away and car parking has just had a great chunk taken away for the building works and had to beput somewhere, not idealI agree but as most heavy flights take off from 23L isn`t causing major problems. If you schedule flights to arrive a quiet times of the day and there are plenty even in mid summer it can be done. The main problem is in the winter when 80 aircraft need parking at night.
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Many many congratulations to the incumbents up top running MA Plc on their latest achievement!
"Terminals 1 and 3 at Manchester Airport named in worst airport list", announced in today's press!
How the Bosses and Councillors must take great pride in this accolade bestowed upon them by their customers, on a job well done!
How can an Airport that really laid claim claim to be among the BEST in the world just a few years ago, take such a mighty U -turn?
Everybody else could see it happening, but no body in the Great Olympic House were listening. Nobody it would appear, in Olympic house had any foresight, as to how the infrastructure of the Terminals was deteriorating at such a rapid rate. Make-overs appeared to be the CHEAP answer. Well they've certainly caught a cold on that one. Everybody knows that CHEAP does not fix underlying problems and Manchester has had these since the late 80's.
No real investment at all in Terminal expansion since T 2 was built. T3 is a typical nasty piece of Cheapness, that the travelling public have to put up with.
An airport that puts Car Parking ahead of Aircraft movement flexibility - unbelievable!
An airport that openly discourages Air Transport movements because of lack of space - pathetic planning in the Nth degree.
Freight traffic being actively discouraged. You're not telling me that from 5 years ago when we had Cathay Pacific Cargo, Dragonair Cargo, Malaysian Cargo, Great Wall Cargo, China Airlines Cargo, Air China cargo, Jett8 Cargo and numerous add-hoc Cargo operations, that this has all stopped purely due to the economic climate and under-belly space? We now learn that Lufthansa Cargo are leaving and I bet Fed-Ex aren't too far behind them, as they all apparently take up too much valuable space - probably for Cars !
An airport that knows its taxiway infrastructure is crumbling but does little about it, excepting emergency repairs and the occasional re-build.
An airport that keeps on taking up more and more land building car parks horizontally instead of vertically.
How long is this current re-development of T2 going to take? 5 - 10 years - how pathetic is that? Don't try and tell me that there isn't any money around, it's as cheap as chips to borrow so we are all being told and has been for 5 or six years, so why hasn't the Plc been borrowing and investing.
I feel better for that, but sad that our once fine facility, that was in most part way ahead in its time for planning for the future, has dropped so far behind that the position is almost irrecoverable.
Very well done MA Plc. - almost as good a performance as NOKIA !
Right, I'm ready for the flak
"Terminals 1 and 3 at Manchester Airport named in worst airport list", announced in today's press!
How the Bosses and Councillors must take great pride in this accolade bestowed upon them by their customers, on a job well done!
How can an Airport that really laid claim claim to be among the BEST in the world just a few years ago, take such a mighty U -turn?
Everybody else could see it happening, but no body in the Great Olympic House were listening. Nobody it would appear, in Olympic house had any foresight, as to how the infrastructure of the Terminals was deteriorating at such a rapid rate. Make-overs appeared to be the CHEAP answer. Well they've certainly caught a cold on that one. Everybody knows that CHEAP does not fix underlying problems and Manchester has had these since the late 80's.
No real investment at all in Terminal expansion since T 2 was built. T3 is a typical nasty piece of Cheapness, that the travelling public have to put up with.
An airport that puts Car Parking ahead of Aircraft movement flexibility - unbelievable!
An airport that openly discourages Air Transport movements because of lack of space - pathetic planning in the Nth degree.
Freight traffic being actively discouraged. You're not telling me that from 5 years ago when we had Cathay Pacific Cargo, Dragonair Cargo, Malaysian Cargo, Great Wall Cargo, China Airlines Cargo, Air China cargo, Jett8 Cargo and numerous add-hoc Cargo operations, that this has all stopped purely due to the economic climate and under-belly space? We now learn that Lufthansa Cargo are leaving and I bet Fed-Ex aren't too far behind them, as they all apparently take up too much valuable space - probably for Cars !
An airport that knows its taxiway infrastructure is crumbling but does little about it, excepting emergency repairs and the occasional re-build.
An airport that keeps on taking up more and more land building car parks horizontally instead of vertically.
How long is this current re-development of T2 going to take? 5 - 10 years - how pathetic is that? Don't try and tell me that there isn't any money around, it's as cheap as chips to borrow so we are all being told and has been for 5 or six years, so why hasn't the Plc been borrowing and investing.
I feel better for that, but sad that our once fine facility, that was in most part way ahead in its time for planning for the future, has dropped so far behind that the position is almost irrecoverable.
Very well done MA Plc. - almost as good a performance as NOKIA !
Right, I'm ready for the flak
Absolutely nothing to do with MAN airport.
Dedicated cargo aircraft except for specialist cargo is a dead duck nowadays, just look at the number
of airlines that have ceased or retired the cargo fleet because there is ample underbelly space. Manston
closed Prestwick the odd flight most of EMA and STN is parcel business with not that many
general cargo flights and DNA having loads of space picking up ad hock work, LGW and LHR
hardly a cargo aircraft in sight with the only real cargo flights being ad hock car manufactoring to BHX
so not just Manchester
of airlines that have ceased or retired the cargo fleet because there is ample underbelly space. Manston
closed Prestwick the odd flight most of EMA and STN is parcel business with not that many
general cargo flights and DNA having loads of space picking up ad hock work, LGW and LHR
hardly a cargo aircraft in sight with the only real cargo flights being ad hock car manufactoring to BHX
so not just Manchester
Freight traffic being actively discouraged. You're not telling me that from 5 years ago when we had Cathay Pacific Cargo, Dragonair Cargo, Malaysian Cargo, Great Wall Cargo, China Airlines Cargo, Air China cargo, Jett8 Cargo and numerous add-hoc Cargo operations, that this has all stopped purely due to the economic climate and under-belly space?
Its probably no coincidence that the disappearance of many of the freighters coincided with the spread of the ME3 right across the UK and the introduction of aircraft like the 77W by those carriers - plus others like SQ and CX. And the proliferation of the road consolidators from continental Europe.
If the LH Freighters turn up at EMA the day after they leave MAN then granted we might have something to moan about.
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Not quite fair with HK on the door step of China, and AMS awash with flowers daily, not to mention other traffic. However as a very reguler user of Man, and now living in Germany 3 days a week it is dispiriting to walk of the LH jet into the some what shabby terminal. None working lifts and elevators appear std and after coming out of MUC it is like going back into the 1970,s
Also when did England become so dirty, not just the terminal but the country. Perhaps should post the last in Jet Blast.
Have a good weekend
Prost
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Not quite fair with HK on the door step of China, and AMS awash with flowers daily, not to mention other traffic. However as a very reguler user of Man, and now living in Germany 3 days a week it is dispiriting to walk of the LH jet into the some what shabby terminal. None working lifts and elevators appear std and after coming out of MUC it is like going back into the 1970,s
Also when did England become so dirty, not just the terminal but the country. Perhaps should post the last in Jet Blast.Have a good weekend
Prost
Mr Mac