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Old 23rd Sep 2016, 15:45
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What's the reason for the bizarre approach that we seem to get on AMS-MAN flights?

The flight goes way to the north east of the airport (over Rochdale I believe), does a big turn to the south and eventually turn right to the south west to approach the airport.

It adds about 10 minutes to the flying time.
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Old 23rd Sep 2016, 15:54
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Originally Posted by rkenyon
What's the reason for the bizarre approach that we seem to get on AMS-MAN flights?

The flight goes way to the north east of the airport (over Rochdale I believe), does a big turn to the south and eventually turn right to the south west to approach the airport.

It adds about 10 minutes to the flying time.


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Old 23rd Sep 2016, 16:38
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You need to ask the people who designed the procedures, no doubt they looked at all the conflicting airspace, SID's and STAR's before they came up with their master plan.

From a pilots perspective I do find it slightly bizarre.
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Old 23rd Sep 2016, 17:45
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Traffic from south goes to Dayne which is Macclesfield area East and north Rosun up near Burnley/Blackburn West go to Mersi which is near Liverpool
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try this it might help
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Old 23rd Sep 2016, 17:48
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Its to save conflicts between North and East inbounds against South inbounds and also
the same departures
If you watch on FR24 it gives a good view of how it works especially at busy times
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Old 24th Sep 2016, 18:38
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Approaching Manchester

Much depends on the runway in use but more particularly the number of other inbound planes to Manchester at the same time. Assuming 23L is in use for landing, planes from Amsterdam may be given an early turn to the left for an approach into MAN. However, more often other traffic is approaching either also from the East or the north, South or West in which case a plane from Amsterdam has to fly to Rosun from where it will be given a radar heading for making an approach hence the longer flight.
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Old 25th Sep 2016, 08:09
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Manchester Airport chaos as thousands of passengers are held up by broken door | Daily Mail Online

The £1bn TP will take 10 years to deliver. What is the plan to cope with pax numbers between now and then?
Why are simple things like doors broken? escaltors broke for weeks, lifts not working, walkways broken etc etc
Buckets all over the place when it rains.
Are we not at the point where there should be no more new services until the airport can handle the passengers they have already got?
I have tried to raise these issues along with my own poor experiences with MAG,but without success.
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Old 25th Sep 2016, 08:25
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I'm one of the few people here to have regularly landed on 23L - normal airline ops use 23R
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Old 25th Sep 2016, 20:42
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Omni 777 too. Not sure if we will see Omni at MAN. The TS 332 and UA 744 are in the schedule.

Sad times.
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Old 25th Sep 2016, 21:49
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So where do we begin with filling this hole How many jobs gone ? How many pax lost ? Gutted for MON.
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Old 26th Sep 2016, 06:06
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ZB

The MON thread appears to be reporting that ZB flights are running normally this morning. Hopefully a storm in a tea cup.
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Old 26th Sep 2016, 06:30
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significant investment to be announced in coming days. Some of the charters now cancelled. BBC mentioning the ATOL renewal. An 11th hour changed of heart by someone, which is just fantastic to hear. Long live Monarch
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Old 26th Sep 2016, 07:05
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Except no one will now book with them. Greybull could have quietly put money in before it got this far, they didn't. If it's bad now, what's it going to be like mid winter?

If I take off my avgeek hat, there's no way I would risk taking the family on a seat only Monarch booking now. There are safer options, indeed after all this PR they're going to need an even bigger bail out than before.

Wonder what investor looked at MON last week and thought "I can make a lot of money here!" And is said investor still signed on after it appeared the business was being wound up Monday?
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Old 30th Sep 2016, 10:49
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Seen on another site that AC Rouge are adding Vancouver from next April and YYZ is getting a longer season. Anyone know anything about this? I can't find anything on the internet, so maybe just a rumour.
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Old 30th Sep 2016, 10:53
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Seen on another site that AC Rouge are adding Vancouver from next April and YYZ is getting a longer season. Anyone know anything about this? I can't find anything on the internet, so maybe just a rumour.
If they are then YYZ should get extra freq as Rouge have no long haul ops based out of Vancouver. Unless they plan to with more aircraft.
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Old 30th Sep 2016, 18:31
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UA2287.

Just looked on flight radar and United, have a B747 arriving from Malaga using the flight number UA2287 from Malagasy at 22.45.
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That should have read Malaga.
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Old 30th Sep 2016, 19:39
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UA2287 is not running
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Old 30th Sep 2016, 19:40
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Monarch been given a 12 day extension
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Old 30th Sep 2016, 19:43
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