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Old 22nd Jul 2016, 20:06
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CPT might work in the winter. There were 59,310 LHR - CPT pax in January so a 10& share would be c1,400 per week. As mentioned, BA are operating from LGW next winter but I don't think that BA would be interested in the route, how many routes not going through London do they operate? VS have withdrawn from LHT - CPT. Thomas Cook is certainly possible, also Thomson could fly it say twice a week with a 787. The route might make sense for Norwegian, especially as demand is highest during the North Atlantic off season.

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Old 22nd Jul 2016, 20:11
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British Airways are only operating Gatwick to Cape Town because Thomas Cook Airlines are starting the route. So, perhaps Thomas Cook is the most likely airline to start Manchester to Cape Town.
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Old 22nd Jul 2016, 20:12
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BA franchise carrier, Sun Air of Scandinavia has withdrawn from the Manchester to Gothenburg route.
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Old 22nd Jul 2016, 21:56
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And according to today's blurb from Mary Robinson, (MP for Cheadle), MAG are seeking planning-permission to build another car-park in Heald Green.
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Old 22nd Jul 2016, 22:56
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Peter47

Sorry to be pedantic but as we all know it's THOMSON NOT THOMPSON

A schoolboy error made by so many on here and other aviation sites plus of course travel journalism.

Ametyst1

I wouldn't say that BA are operating LGW to CPT just because Thomas Cook are, BA know the passenger figures from London to Cape Town and therefore decided to operate LGW to CPT which is aimed at the Avios crowd like myself as well as BA Holidays.

If BA was that interested in competing with others on long haul out of LGW surely they would have added flights to more destinations in the USA other than JFK to combat the growth of Norwegian but they haven't.

BA are not stupid as they know what routes are viable otherwise they wouldn't contemplate operating them as with long haul ex MAN where they are not interested which is a shame but that's how it is.
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Old 22nd Jul 2016, 23:31
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BA only started Gatwick to Cape Town because Thomas Cook announced they were entering the market. BA has launched it to protect market share. It was never planned until Thomas Cook made their intentions known.

Incidentally, Avios have a lot more seats available from Heathrow to Cape Town than they do from Gatwick.
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Old 23rd Jul 2016, 07:58
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And do you have facts to show that is the case, I'm not sure it's entirely true!

I think BA did their homework and decided to add LGW to CPT regardless of Thomas Cook.
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Old 23rd Jul 2016, 10:57
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Of course we did our homework as the only operator between London and Cape Town we had all the available data BA needed.

BA had spare capacity at Gatwick during the winter and decided on Cape Town as a result of the Thomas Cook announcement.

Anyway, let's hope Thomas Cook serve Cape Town from Manchester in the not too distant future.
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Old 23rd Jul 2016, 13:44
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Well one thing for sure, if TXC did CPT from MAN, BA would never go up against it.
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Old 23rd Jul 2016, 14:00
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It is kinda odd how they worry about losing a few pax ex LGW to CPT, but do not an awful lot about the massive leakage at MAN to the many, and growing, army of foreign carriers. It's as if it is deemed not at threat to them, and these millions of passengers are not potential BA customers. I'd find MAN's operation a worry if I were BA and getting very little of the cake.
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Old 23rd Jul 2016, 14:13
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BA are doing as much harm as ever to MAN. It's just now they do it through EI and Dublin. Constant advertising on radio for months now. Not sure how AA feels about it.
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Old 23rd Jul 2016, 21:01
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Why would AA be upset? All the revenue is pooled BA/IB/EI/AA. It's a joint business.
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Old 23rd Jul 2016, 21:51
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Air Canada passengers fury after Manchester to Toronto flight delayed for 2 days - Manchester Evening News


Can we have Rouge back please ?

With a dozen flights day into Heathrow (AND whilst admirable they tried to send them from Manchester), was there really no spare capacity ex LHR they could have brought up?

OR why did they not route another plane into Manch.

Maybe they are all full. ( except EDI which took two coach loads).

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Old 24th Jul 2016, 06:42
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Air Canada did actually despatch a replacement aircraft to MAN late yesterday. However, that B763 (C-GSCA) got as far as the Montreal area before returning to YYZ, presumably with a problem of its own. C-FOCA is expected at MAN around 11:00 today, but I think this is the aircraft planned as Sunday's regular flight. So there may be two Air Canada B763's departing MAN for YYZ today.

I love the bit where a passenger claims that the flight was cancelled "because the pilot was tired". One way to summarise going out of hours, I suppose!

Bagso ... I know that your comment was made in jest, but MAN-YYZ is provisionally due to switch back to AC Rouge from 25/07 anyway. Your wish should be granted tomorrow!
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Old 24th Jul 2016, 08:02
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Yes Shed, the departure boards are showing AC2043 at 11.00 to YYZ as well as our scheduled Sunday flight at 12.45. Mind you, they were showing the former yesterday morning and as we know it never happened.
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Old 24th Jul 2016, 08:17
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Airport expansion decision needed 'urgently' - MPs - BBC News

Rejoice,

"MPs learn of major airport outside London shock."

Meanwhile the National Audit Office are warning some major national infastructure spend nay not be possible citing HS2, LHR3 oh and the NorthernPowerhouse.

Now I'm not exactly sure where the mammoth spending on the #northernpowerhouse was due to take place anyway ( ideas anybody, maybe it's the A6 bypass ), but anyway assuming there was a plan in the first place which projects North or South do we suspect would get culled.

Multi Billion spend on....
Heathrow Road/Rail
Crossrail2
Thameslink upgrades
Bank Underground

Or

do we look North assuming it exists !

Answers to Pprune

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Old 24th Jul 2016, 10:07
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Airx charter

Does anybody know the name of the tour operator/company that runs the
Manchester to Olbia & Cagliari flights that uses Airx charter 737-500 aircraft every Saturday Morning.

Thanks
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Old 24th Jul 2016, 10:24
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It will be Sardatur - They have used BA Cityflyer and Flybe in previous seasons like to offer an executive standard of service at an appropriate price level -typically north of £1,700 for 7 days at 5* hotel on the island

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Old 24th Jul 2016, 10:38
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Bagso, numbers aren't your strength..... Air Canada mainline have only four daily flights on LHR-YYZ as well as Rouge on LGW, EDI and GLA-YYZ but a quick glance at the date suggests peak summer so not enough empty seats to reschedule an existing flight I suspect. Rouge wouldn't have managed a recovery any better than mainline, also their aircraft are maintained by the same people.

Had they scattered the passengers via Lufthansa, BA and Aer Lingus asap to connect on next days varied AC flights with spare seats across europe it might have been better but they didn't think that was the way to go. Hindsight sucks.
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Old 24th Jul 2016, 10:46
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Originally Posted by Porky Speedpig
Why would AA be upset? All the revenue is pooled BA/IB/EI/AA. It's a joint business.
Are you sure about that?
IAG consists of BA,IB,EI & VU.
Is AA revenue pooled with IAG?
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